What is the population density of Gaza city? It's easier to make a moral claim in a isolated evil incident of a terrorist killing civilians than it is to empathize and understand that this is inevitable. If you want me to prove my point, what would the reactionary opinion to this be? That's the easier thing to say. There is nothing easy about the inevitably of what happens to humans being raised in conditions like Gaza city.
Well, just to deflate a historical analog: No, FDR did not know about the pending attack on Pearl Harbor. I shouldn't be so careless, but the Occam's Razor result is pretty clear in the current conflict.
Ya and that's my point. It's one of the most dense areas in the world(not the most, as there definitely other cities with higher densities) Any time IDF drops ordinance in Gaza city they are PURPOSEFULLY killing civilians. The only difference is it's more sterile where the people doing the killing are not viscerally involved.
At this point the most reasonable think to do is the same approach as what western nations did with the Boer Government in South Africa. Divest. Boycott.
How does that old saying go? "The best recruiter of Hamas is the IDF" Is your goal to weaken Hamas and their popularity or experiencing pleasure through collective punishment?
I was a freshman at Baylor the year of the Branch Davidian mess. Once we finally figured out where it was, we drove out one night to see it. There was a neighborhood with a huge field behind it and no fenceline. So I could see straight between the houses out to the compound. It was night time so dark outside...but it was lit up with massive spotlights. And the FBI or ATF whoever was playing Billy Ray Cyrus' "Achy Breaky Heart" super loud and on repeat. I was 18 years old, and I distinctly remember thinking, "so we think they're crazy, so the solution is to drive them crazier?" Not a perfect analogy but it's exactly what I thought of thinking through this.
It's why I think for people like ATW and Commadore, the ultimate solution is just genociding residents of Gaza either through a slow death through cutting off any resources or just leveling the place. Because they always want Israel to chose the action that increases Hamas recurring material resulting in something that is no where near sustainable.
Occam's Razor also indicates that complacency, infighting, and political extremism weaken security and focus, with the hubris to ignore the decline warned by their own IDF is why they completely missed this https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/09/israel-hamas-attack-gaza-intelligence/ Security experts say the war is the result of severe intelligence and military failures. Hamas and Islamic Jihad militants had been training for weeks near the Israeli border — drilling in rocket launches, kidnapping soldiers and “storming settlements,” Gazan media reported. Yet the assessment from the Israeli military was that Hamas had no appetite for another conflict, a line repeated by trusted media figures. “The good news in the context of the Gaza Strip is that neither Israel nor Hamas want to see hostilities escalate, each for its own reasons,” columnist Yoav Limor wrote last month in the right-wing newspaper Israel Hayom. Aharon Zeevi Farkash, former head of the Israel Defense Forces’ military intelligence, told Israeli radio station Reshet Bet that “after we are able to probe this, we will see that we knew almost everything. There were intelligence assessments hours before. The question is, did we understand what we knew?” Analysts also point to a failure in political leadership. Netanyahu, they contend, allowed military preparedness to erode alongside Palestinian militant escalation as he pursued a contentious plan to weaken Israel’s judiciary — setting off months of furious protests that delighted the country’s adversaries. “Israel, once a formidable regional power, has gradually eroded in faith, consciousness, self-assurance and humility,” Hasan Nasrallah, the chief of Hezbollah in Lebanon, crowed in August, as thousands of Israeli military reservists joined the anti-government demonstrations. The IDF issued rare public statements in recent months, warning that military deterrence was deteriorating. Netanyahu and radical members of his cabinet derided the officials as part of the protest movement, and the protesters as “anarchists,” asserting that the status quo with the Palestinians would hold. .. The surprise attack started around 6 a.m., with a barrage of rocket fire followed by cross-border attacks. Yet it wasn’t until late afternoon that buses and trains were mobilized to ferry soldiers south. It took some 10 hours for the first troops to arrive in towns overrun by militants. The Gaza border, it soon became clear, was minimally manned, and it took hours to redirect units stationed in the West Bank, which has been the main area of focus for the military this year. Palestinian militancy has surged in the occupied territory, from Jenin to Jericho, and Israeli raids have been increasingly common and deadly. Some in Netanyahu’s far-right government had called to annex the West Bank. Gaza, by contrast, appeared stable. “There was a need for more soldiers, so where did they take them from? From the Gaza border, where they thought it was calm,” said Farkash, the former IDF military intelligence chief. “Not surprising that Hamas and Islamic Jihad noticed the low staffing at the border.”
Nd yet not a single right wing poster on these forums took this angle. Not a single one. Every single MAGA have ran with biden is responsible for this cuz money that hasn't even been distributed yet. At some point you have to give the Fox major credit. How they're able to brainwash millions of people to think the exact same thing at once. @AroundTheWorld MAGAts It's the biggest brainwashing operation we've ever seen in human history
