Israel Goes To War with Hamas 2023

Certainly not you.

 

I find stuff like this just disgusting.

I think it also shows your lack of perspective comparing Texas residents living their comfortable suburban lifestyle hypothetically voting in the Proud Boys to a group of people that have significantly higher odds of experiencing severe childhood trauma like their childhood home being leveled or loosing a family member to the IDF. The way the brain becomes wired between living a carefree suburban lifestyle in a developed country to the lifestyle of fearing to go outside because you fear your grid square being leveled just cannot be compared unless you strip away the humanity of Palestinians.

You've accepted that one type of civilian death justfies anger and revenge over another type of civilian death and that's you placing more value in human life to one group over the other.

And stop being shocked and chagrined that a non convential force uses non convential means like basing their insurgency amongst a civilian population. That is the fact of life of any situation between conventional vs non conventional warfare.

 

It was in 2006. I don't know why they haven't held elections since then, but Hamas is still a terrorist organization governing Gaza nearly 20 year later.

Nobody is saying everyone deserves to die. Nobody should continue to die over this 80-year-old blood feud.

I have a lot of sympathy for Palestinian rage. I've been to Israel and came away thinking it's a genuine apartheid state. The Israelis treat Palestinians horribly.

What I don't have sympathy for is electing a terrorist organization to lead you and continuing to advocate for the extermination of Israel. It exists. The PLO recognizes that and the futility of pretending that they can wipe out the Israelis. This fantastical absolutist perspective will continue to get Palestinians and Israelis murdered.

 

@DonnyMost @dumbartonbass Israel has voted in a right wing government with Netanyahu. As an individual, Netanyahu has committed as grave immoral acts as your typical Hamas leader throughout his life. Do Israelis deserve civilian deaths now because they voted him in?

 

Again it shows a dehumanization by not allowing Palestinians have an outlet for their trauma.

Would you humanize Israeli citizens voting the right wing government because of the fear they experience of pending terror attacks? Like you can sympathize with why they would go to a right wing government right?

 

I'm not going to pretend either side is righteous here. It's sucked for generations and I don't see a way that it won't.

But I'm not going to carry water for ****ing Hamas.

 

I can't accept this view between a conventional force vs a non convential force. One side has more agency to stop this

 

I actually don't sympathize with a lot of right wing Israeli voters. The haredim are lunatics who operate from the same irrational, religious-based absolutism that Hamas does.

 

Israel as a whole voted in the right wing government. Your go to first knee jerk is to condemn Palestinians for voting in Hamas. Seems like you realize that it's a bad look and are shifting goal posts as we move along.

 

We're not going to solve Middle East peace on this BBS. Yes, Israelis shouldn't be surprised that they're attacked after they violate border agreements with settlements, kicks people out of their homes, etc. The ultra orthodox are culpable for inhumane treatment of the Palestinians just like the latter are culpable for Hamas' actions.

This situation has always been the snake eating its own tail. I see no way out while both sides argue for annihilation.

 

I don't think it's a bad look at all. Palestinian voters deserve condemnation for electing Hamas.

 

To me power dynamics are very important in determining things like morality and which side is more responsible. Can you tell me why this view of mine is wrong?

 

I guess you are now going to double down on your uneven distribution of empathy between Israelis and Palestinians?

Okay say the same exact thing about Israelis. Israalis should be condemned for electing a right wing government headed by Bibi?

 

You seem like you're more interested in arguing than anything else. What if you both make valid points and that's that?
What if not everyone has to find the same amount of empathy for all the different factions in a conflict?

 

Don't confuse my tenacity as something that exists just for arguments' sake rather than being sincerely concerned about the uneven distribution of empathy between two groups of people.

 

War only truly ends when one side either whipes the other out, or one side takes the will of the other away.

not sure this will ever happen in that area.

DD

 

My stance is they are an effect, an inevitable effect. And no people please don't in bad faith respond acting like this is a moral normative claim. This is a claim about the human condition.

Trauma is a b****.

 

Whelp they now declare war.