I hear what you are saying but I think you are drawing the wrong conclusion. As mentioned, WWII was full of propaganda. There was limited amounts of media that was fed to the people by the 'authorities'. Just because the allies won does not make their propaganda right or true. I am sure you have seen the highly racial cartoons calling the japanese evil and savages. With modern media, it is easier to spread misinformation, but its also much easier to verify and dispute said misinformation. I called Zelensky a clown. The man is trying to draw the United States into the conflict. He is attacking Crimea. He is attacking Russia. He wants US troops on the front line. He is doing everything he can to escalate this war. And somehow you're led to believe Ukraine is this perfectly united country in utopia. Ukraine is full of corruption and bad acting politicians. This doesn't mean the general population is bad, just as the general population of Russia isn't bad. This is a proxy war between Putin and the United States. Ukraine is the fodder. You shouldn't be suggesting EU ban misinformation. Its extremely arrogant of you to believe you know what is misinformation and what is not. Its an extremely authoritarian mindset. Yes, Russia is ran like the mafia.
Que? The 1st amendment did not own slaves. I didnt say anything about the founding fathers and slavery has nothing to do with this conversation. Having conversation is extremely important, even if its 'labeling' someone elses view. Censorship is wrong, regardless of how its spun.
I'm not advocating government labeling specific stories as misinformation. But I feel like it is okay to regulate the spread of misinformation. There are laws against false advertising. It is regulated. It also isn't a violation of Free Speech. Free speech and a free press will help uncover when stories are incorrectly labeled as misinformation. Privately owned platforms working to restrict the misinformation on their platforms is a service and not a violation of free speech.
Bullshit. So you think the government doesn't have a role in labeling misinformation like this? When elon claims we have "open borders" even though the government has kept all of trumps remain in Mexico policies? These sort of tweets from elon which spread misinformation only flame the problem more. Now migrants will assume we have a open border when in reality bidens border policies are literally the exact same as trumps. The government absolutely has the right to label misleading stories as disinformation
Watch the video or not. I couldn't care less and I'm not speaking to what he said early on during Putin's invasion of democratic Ukraine. In the video I posted, he was erudite and on target, in my opinion. At least you aren't babbling about Hunter Biden's laptop.
The government's role is in the general regulation. The government is allowed to make the case for why stories are misinformation.
Why can't the government flag the tweet for misinformation to twitter while providing facts and documentation how the border isn't "open." Right wingers will claim the government is "colluding" with a business is illegal but its what the government has been doing for over a century. Trumps DHS flagged tens of thousands of tweets as misinformation and the right never cared then. We do not have open borders in this country. Biden has literally kept trumps policies and has expanded them. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the government flagging musks bullshit as misinformation. @Space Ghost you're delusional My point is when a "pundit" predicts something and the polar opposite happens we should ignore whatever they have to say on the topic. We elevate folks to high levels because of their fancy resumes but we always ignore the issues they've been wrong about. You can't claim we have to start world War 3 or else the world will end and then years later claim you're an expert on the same topic. Give me a break man.
No, it is not ok for the government to regulate anything with speech. That is censorship. That is authoritarian. That is what countries like North Korea, China and Russia do. Exactly how is your version of free speech and free press going to pick up a message that has been censored and removed from society view? Who is the authoritarian voice who knows everything that gets to regulate what can and can not be spoken? False advertising has nothing to do with this conversation or speech. False advertising is regulated under commerce, not the 1st amendment. If Musk says the Biden administration is allowing open borders and the only way to fix it is to buy a Tesla, that is false advertisement. Privately owned platforms can do whatever they want provided there is no pressure from the government, implied or explicate. You really have no idea what you're asking for. This is the type of weapon Trump would love to abuse.
The story about Hunter's laptop came out despite anything the government did. The government is already regulating speech when it comes false advertising. That already happens, and that is different than what happens in China, Russia, etc.
Can you please show me evidence of the government suppressing the Hunter laptop story? Yoel Roth the twitter executive testified under oath that they removed the story way before anyone asked them about it. I'd love to see your evidence of the government suppressing the story when trump was president when the story broke.
The government can label something misinformation and jail you for it. If someone says their magic beans cure cancer then the government can step in. A lie can be regulated especially if is dangerous. If you're telling a lie the government can call you out just like anyone else can especially if it is factually wrong. Just labeling something incorrect isn't blocking anyone's free speech. They can continue to lie When it becomes dangerous then it's the government's responsibility to step in and stop but there is nothing unconstitutional about the government saying something is false especially if it's factually proven to be false
You seem to be assuming that intelligent people have to be perfect, on target, every time they open their mouth about whatever subject you care about. With all due respect, that's ridiculous. As for "World War 3," what nonsense is that? Again, I posted a video in which this retired US general was interviewed by two young Ukrainian Canadians and he was very much on target in that video, in my opinion. The pair interviewing him certainly appeared to think so, not that that influenced my opinion. If for whatever reason you chose to not to see what those three in the interview said to each other for reasons of your own, why on earth should I care?
Magic beans cure cancer. There I said it. Im not going to jail. If there is an ethics violation (doctor/patient) or commerce and/or FDA (i sell you lima beans claiming they are magic beans and cure cancer) can invoke some type of action. Those have nothing to do with speech (which is what we are talking about)
The government didn't censor it. And that isn't the point. The Ministry of Truth declared the Hunter Biden Laptop story to be misinformation and it turned out to that was political motivation to label it misinformation. You are suggesting these same people should be allowed to censor information. And by censor, I mean to jail and punish people for speaking out, which is being suggested here. That is the **** that happens in North Korea, not the US. I am at a loss as to why you continue to support these draconian and authoritarian ideas. In what reality do you not see a Trump administration abusing this full throttle?
What the **** are you talking about seriously? The ministry of truth isnt even a thing. They disbanded the idea before it even formed. You sound so damn dumb at times spewing the most bullshit claims. Get your damn head checked. Why are we so ****ing stupid as a society? Simple answer is disinformation.
No one cares when the pendulum swings in their favor, but when it swings the other way, oh lawd baby Jeebus... It's like the coming of the anti-Christ, Damien plopped onto a satanic orphanage, and Hitler reborn rolled up into one right out of nowhere...
If something is factually wrong the government can step in and say its wrong. That's not a violation of free speech. I think you are confusing facts and opinions. If someone says Ukraine has no shot, we need to stop wasting money that's an opinion and the government wouldn't stop anyone from saying that. A fact is true and if someone is lying against a fact how is it against the rights of the person presenting the lie to label said information false?
I think ad hominem attacks are not helpful, but your argument and your own points were directed as such (using YOUR own experience as a game with “balance sheets”) so yea I’m going to bring an objective take into it. It’s insane to think you can solve every problem with your 2 sentence simpleton uninformed knowledge base. if you were open to the idea that you may be wrong (I certainly am) you would be met with more open-ness. To be clear I wasn’t trying to disrespectful to you outside the scope of the argument. Everyone here is a rockets fan and brother. My responses can get pointy when bolstering my case with what I feel are logical takes—but aren’t intended to be mean if that’s the case I apologize
