We can’t police every single conflict, and the scale to which this has been propped up geopolitically is a farce. I’m not on the neocon side that Putin is our best friend, but he’s certainly not our biggest threat like China is. If you set emotions etc aside, there’s no question…China is the biggest threat to the world (and NK as an offshoot) with their economy and growing military. With that side taken, sending Putin deeper into their arms isn’t exactly a great strategy. We aren’t sending troops, but by all means this is our war too at this point: look at how the rest of the world responded during WW1 and WW2 when we took such an approach (no we weren’t complelrekt neutral prior we provided military aid and intelligence like we are now). The enemy didn’t seem to make a difference and the above actually played into Pearl Harbor. if you revisit pretty much every conflict over the last century; outside of mUrCA!! This is an asinine approach. Again, nobody will refute this , Russia can end this without any more of their own casualties sooner than I’m done typing this message. Of course it would be no going back for the world, but let’s not kid ourselves about “Ukraine” winning. it’s like when your younger brother is punching you and you can knock him out cold but don’t want your parents seeing it
oh there are plenty of those, but that’s usually because of cousin ****ing going on in their home town. The soyboys have no excuse though
Even if Putin drops a small scale tactical nuke to end this, NOTHING will happen. the US and the USSR had enough missiles deployed at one another during the Cold War to level both continents in the span of minutes. Nobody is going to risk the stake of the whole world on a conflict like this and certainly not when we have shown to be willing participants and basically in the war every outcome and permutation indicates that anybody thinking Ukraine is winning or can win is deluding themselves beyond belief. Beyond ****ing belief
A bit of very recent history. Related to the Russian war on Ukraine. A Mali Air Force Ilyushin Il-76 at Gao, Mali that's reportedly being used by Russian Wagner mercenaries in support of the recent anti-Western coup over-shoots the runway during a textbook bad landing and the result is the video below:
It's pretty simple: Space Ghost is pro Putin/Musk/Trump. Glynch is a member of the infinite left, who bent the horseshoe curve so far to the left, like RFK Jr, he ended up on the right, with, Space Ghost, Tucker Carlson, Matt Gaetz, Paul Gosar etc The other guy I have never heard of.
It appears as if this conflict is in a hopeless stalemate. Absent some sort of collapse of Russian institutions, its hard to imagine the Ukrainian military having some sort of large scale and war-winning or even decisive breakthrough. The Ukrainian offensive has been going on for 3+ months now and the territory liberated would be more aptly measured in meters rather then KMs. Progress is so slow that surely Russia has had plenty of time to create and reinforce even more defensive lines behind any points where they've even lost a marginal amount of ground. We're simply looking at years of stalemate and the further development of even more heavily entrenched armies. Unless some sort of black swan hits, its hard to see anything meaningful changing anytime soon.
The ultimate problem is the definition of a win. I've seen the goal post being moved every week since this war began. Remember when the handful of Leopards were going to give Ukraine the ultimate advantage because Russia was so incompetent? Wars like these come down to economics. This is a battle between the west and Russia. Ukrainians and the trash of Russians are the pawns. Wagner were sadistic mf'ers. Ukrainians are sending some of their best people against the worst of Russia. Ukrainians are getting destroyed. They are not winning nor will they win. The only people who are winning right now is the US. Our borders are under duress but thats because we have an administration is who doing the exact opposite of Trumps dumbassery, which is just as stupid, if not more. Otherwise, we are fine at the moment. Inflation is low, energy prices are not too bad. End of the day, Russia and the US are going to be forced to come to the bartering table. Enemies barter. And with any barter, both parties have to feel like they are getting away with a win. Ukraine already lost a long time ago. They will either be subjugated to the US or Russia because they are too weak to stand alone. We should be sending that 100 billion to the southern mexican border and start helping mexico build a more thriving economy, while loosening our border with Mexico.
I agree that the United States doesn't need to be policing every single conflict, for example we are not really involved in what is happening in Africa right now. However, this is a big deal - Russia has invaded another nation that is surrounded by NATO nations. Russia isn't our biggest threat, but they are certainly the second largest threat. They have been deeply involved in espionage in the USA, they are invading other nations and they have supported efforts to cause confusion in the USA. China is the largest threat to the USA, but they also do not take the same approach or tact that the West does. Make no mistake, China is watching how the USA and the West handle Russia aggression and that will inform future decisions that they make. China doesn't want a war with the USA or the West. They want some degree of influence and wealth and power. Don't assume that the failure of Russia in Ukraine has made them close to China - who does not want to alienate the rest of the world. No - it isn't really our war at this point and it won't be until troops are on the ground. We financially support a number of nations and we routinely take sides. We could well see a completely different response from the US government after elections and we could decrease or stop financial support for Ukraine. What the USA is doing have been very common........ the Soviet Union did similar things, so did the English Empire....... the French did it with supporting the USA. As far as Ukraine winning - it is a toss up because the winner will be decided by who lasts the longest. Putin could die or be overthrown. We have already had one attempt to take over the Russian government. There are limits to what Russians will and will not support - it was only 30 years ago that they had enough and over threw the Communists. By the same token, the Ukrainians will fight very hard, but their success is going to depend on continued support from the West.
The Russian Army still has tanks left. And the Russian Navy still has some ships left. If this war last another year, the Russian Military will be all sorts of ****ed.
I’m not sure I follow what you’re saying here. Geopolitically our aid to Ukraine is a message to the PRC that we will also stand for Taiwan and other countries such as those it has disputes with in the South China Sea. Also yes Russia could end this quickly. That is the point of aiding Ukraine to compel them to end this by withdrawing. Unless your argument is Russia could end this by going nuclear. That possibly could lead to the end of civilization as we know it as it’s unlikely the US and NATO would do nothing if they did so.
That is a very dangerous guess given the use of a nuke in Ukraine will likely lead to fallout in NATO countries which will prompt a response. Also that goes back to my original Question. So what happens then if the PRC just threatens to nuke Taiwan or the Philippines if they don’t give in to territorial concessions? What if NK just threatens to nuke Seoul unless we withdraw our aid to SK?
Anybody who thinks that the US would respond with nukes to a tactical first use of nukes by Russia in Ukraine is deluded. I know that many think that the US is so incredibly deeply concerned about Ukrainians. Those who think Putin is a psychotically crazy version of Hitler should be worried that he will use nukes. They should hope that he or Russia is not cornered and losing. Fortunately this seems very unlikely according to experts who do not worry about promotion in the military or losing their sweet gigs as print and TV/Defense Industry board Members. For some reason we are always surprised that though the mainstream news shows our side for years kicking butt militarily and accomplishing great things for the American way of life as in Vietnam, Iraq, Afganistan etc-- until it somehow it didn't. Later historians can sort out the truth.
Really Ukraine is going to be subjugated to the US? Many of you are arguing that Ukraine might not get back all of its territory this war is hopeless. If we’re talking about moving goal posts Russian troops were supposed to have a victory parade in Kyiv in March of 2022. Yes there is a strong possibility that Ukraine won’t be able to get back all of its territory. It’s possible Ukraine ends up divided like Germany or Korea. I’m pretty sure though people in South Korea are pretty glad they aren’t ruled but the Kim regime in Pyongyang and don’t feel subjugated by the US.
again I don’t get what you and Los Pollos Hermanos are arguing. Are you arguing that Putin could use nukes and we won’t respond so we should just stop supporting Ukraine? Are you arguing that Putin won’t use nukes but see should just stop supporting Ukraine? All I can get from y’all is that y’all feel we shouldn’t be supporting Ukraine so what is it you’re exactly arguing about nukes?
Welcome to diplomacy, guy. Not just military threats. I assume you don't want a nuclear war. I assume that neither does N. Korea, Russia, Iran etc. It is tough, but frankly when confronting a nuclear power or even a great conventonal power realistically you might have to accept less than your preferred position. I suppose you. can insist abstractly on Ukraine's absolute right to join whatever military alliance it wants even if the present mess could have been avoided. Biden and at times Zelinski made it non-negotiable. However, neutrality worked very well for Finland, Sweden, Austria etc.
When territory stops to exchanging hands? When the amount of weapons and types of weapons being provided stop escalating? The dynamics of this battle/war are odd. There is a lot of internal and even external pressure on Putin to either quickly win or end the war. There are very few internal pressures in Ukraine to end the war, but there are externally because they are at the whims of the USA and NATO and are aware with the political climate in the USA, that the USA is a fickle but powerful ally. To those that are so convinced that the Russians are currently winning the war, consider that Ukraine has refused to discuss peace negotiations where they lose any land, including Crimea. We are also starting to see Ukraine insurgents in Russia starting to cause moral problems and destruction of industry and military targets. Putin is also 70 with a history of some severe health issues - he falls or is seriously ill or dies and Russia is out of Ukraine and we may well see a push for improved relations with the West. The young and wealthy Russian leaders want to be part of the West because of financial reasons.
