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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    Ukraine borders several NATO countries so what happens in Ukraine does have a direct affect on NATO.
     
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  2. Commodore

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    but we're running massive deficits to do it
     
  3. rocketsjudoka

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    We were running massive deficits before the war in Ukraine started.

    If you’re so concerned about deficits let’s not forget that when the GOP has been in power they’ve blown up deficits because they both cut revenue collection while also increasing spending. how about supporting things that increase revenue collection such as repealing the last round of tax cuts and increasing tax
    Collection and enforcement so more people pay what they are legally supposed to.
     
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  4. Space Ghost

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    Yes, and if Russia would withdraw its military, the war would be over. None of this is a mystery.

    Ukraine needs to stay a neutral state. It was never about those poor Ukrainians. It has always been about the threat of a Russian military sitting on the border of NATO nations.
    Zelensky ****ed this up when he started leaning pro-west and wanting to be part of NATO.
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

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    It’s kind of hard to remain neutral when your country was invaded.

    Also it wasn’t Zelensky that invade Russia.
     
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  6. Space Ghost

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    Thats exactly what happened. Poor little Zelensky was 100% neutral and the big bad bully punched him in the face for no reason.

    Ukraine desperately needs a new competent leader, not more western help.
     
  7. No Worries

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    The EU and NATO disagree. Both memberships have been promised to Ukraine.

    I will write a sternly written letter to Zelenski to let him know how much @Space Ghost disapproves of his push to end Ukraine's nuetrality.
     
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  9. Nook

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    The Ukrainian people get to decide whether they want to be a neutral state or attempt to join NATO. That isn't for you or me to decide.

    Zelenskyy didn't **** anything up, Russia was trying to carve up Ukraine before Zelenskyy was in politics.

    Putin doesn't seem to have an issue border NATO nations, as he is attempting to take over Ukraine and incorporating it into Russia - and it will be bordering NATO nations at that point.

    This is all very simple. Russia has and has had a **** economy. One of the only ways for Russia to improve from an economic and power standpoint is to take over Ukraine.
     
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  10. dobro1229

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    You must love being wrong about everything because you just don't know when to stop.

    Everyone (from Russia to the US) all anticipated that Zelensky would flee the country and operate as an outside the country opposition leader once Russia invaded, took the capital building at Kyiv, and reinstalled Paul Manafort's guy as president of Ukraine.

    I really don't know what your personal vendetta against Ukraine, and for Russia/Putin is, but you just wreak of being a Putin fanboy who objects to facts and reality on this war. Either way I wish you'd just have the balls to be honest about what your vendetta is here, or why you have some sort of weird allegiance to Putin. I think you'd get alot more respect if you'd just be honest about that instead of acting like we are all idiots.

    Putin invaded Ukraine because they had a Democratic election that showed the country's population moving towards Western Democracy, he was getting pressure from the right/feared a future coup, and he needed Ukraine's port cities to hyper concentrate influence over Africa with grain exports as well as bolster his natural gas pipeline infrastructure in the black sea.

    Invading Ukraine had nothing to do with Zelensky himself, and at ever turn Putin underestimated how strong of a leader he actually was.
     
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  11. Nook

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    This really sounds like someone that has a built in sentiment to favor Russia or is an ultimate troll job.

    You remind me of David Irving writing about the Holocaust... something is just off and can only be explained by an implicit bias.
     
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  12. dobro1229

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    That doesn't mean that Russia won't massively scale down the operation, give back 95% of the territory it gained, and lie to it's people that they are still winning. This might be a situation where Russia in effect loses, but won't admit to it's people that it lost for 15 years.
     
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  13. DaDakota

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    Russia is playing the long game knowing they can't win, but hoping the resolve of other countries wanes.

    Give Ukraine whatever it wants - tell them they have 2 years to get them out of their country - (SECRETLY OF COURSE).....

    DD
     
  14. Amiga

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    Someone here consume way too much X.


    Musk’s X Is Biggest Outlet of Russia Disinformation

    https://www.techtimes.com/articles/...t-russian-disinformation-eu-warns-against.htm

    European Commission Vice-President Vera Jourova minced no words when addressing the media: "This is a multi-million euro weapon of mass manipulation aimed both internally at the Russians as well as Europeans and the rest of the world."


    Jourova's statement came as the EU unveiled a groundbreaking report, marking the first-ever comprehensive assessment of disinformation across major social media platforms.

    The report, published under the Digital Services Act (DSA) framework, highlights the alarming rise of disinformation on digital platforms and the urgent need for action.

    The Guardian reports that of all the platforms under scrutiny, X emerged as the platform with the most significant ratio of mis- or disinformation posts.

     
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    Are you bipolar? Seriously? You change your stance every week
     
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    They can’t win?

    lol. This has to be a joke
     
  17. glynch

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    Just another example of how the poor Ukrainians are just pawns in US geopolitcal games.
     
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  18. rocketsjudoka

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    Again. Even before Zelensky wa president Russia was occupying parts of Ukraine and actively engaged in backing separatists in eastern Ukraine.
     
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  19. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes as stated the US acts of out of US interests. The US didn’t get involved even in WWII until it was clear that it was in US interests.

    What is your position through that the US shouldn’t do anything?
     
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  20. glynch

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    So much for Ukraine not being a proxy war. From an ad campaign for Republicans trying to support the latest war.


    “When America arms Ukraine, we get a lot for a little. Putin is an enemy of America. We’ve used 5% of our defense budget to arm Ukraine, and with it, they’ve destroyed 50% of Putin’s Army. We’ve done all this by sending weapons from storage, not our troops. The more Ukraine weakens Russia, the more it also weakens Russia’s closest ally, China. America needs to stand strong against our enemies, that’s why Republicans in Congress must continue to support Ukraine.”

    https://caitlinjohnstone.com.au/2023/09/25/bill-kristols-refreshingly-honest-ukraine-war-ad/
     

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