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Kamala is no joke; will vote for her again

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Jul 2, 2021.

  1. hitman1900

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    Lol I love the fake outrage about racism from the resident conservatives. Tell us more about you love minorities, immigrants, and what they do for this country.
     
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  2. No Worries

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    @basso you have entered into the Theater of the Absurd.

    By all means let us look closely at the off-the-cuff word-salad truth-challenged remarks Trump made ... or not.

    Trump first remarks wrt the Charlottesville White Nationalists **** show was a read statement prepared for him. Trump got push back from his White Nationalist supporters, so the fine-people-on-both-sides false-equivalency remarks was just political damage control targeted at his racist base.

    I guess we could read every other word and try to find some reasonable interpretation of what Trump said and meant. But let's not play that game.
     
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    Hm. One guy wants to execute our military leaders, and the other guy might trip on stairs.

    Decisions decisions.
     
  5. basso

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    or you could just read what he said.
     
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  6. rocketsjudoka

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    Also it’s not like Trump
    Could make it down a ramp easily
     
  7. DonnyMost

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    This **** is meaningless when the Republican alternative is just as old and arguably less fit both physically and mentally.
     
  8. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes it’s such a one sided message that Biden
    Is old, which he is, while the other guy isn’t.
     
  9. rocketsjudoka

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    Biden doesn’t help himself when he frequently says dumb and rambling stuff but the Democrats definitely need to hit back on how much stupid and weird stuff Trump says.
     
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    Two packs and no tour biggie fries
    Wooten clan
    Hey boy and 3000 andre
    @J.R.
    @Xerobull
     
  11. Nook

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    Yeah... he didn't go the next day, he went exactly 7 days after 9/11. It was over 20 years ago, and he is in his 80 years old, so I think it is very possible that is just his memory being flawed. It isn't as if he really gains anything saying he visited the next day compared to a week later.
     
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    Good - they need to stay away from the entrances to abortion clinics...... they need to stop harassing women who legally choose to have an abortion clinic. If they are so concerned, they can spend all their apparent free time fostering unwanted children.
     
  13. Nook

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    This doesn't surprise me. We have been going down this path for awhile now. We are also seeing traditionally conservative voting blocs changing as well. Part of this I do firmly believe is a result of better living and social conditions for black Americans, increased social mobility can change voting habits. Some of this is a push back against the extreme "woke" wing of the Democratic party pushing social issues concerning the LGBTQ+ and climate change - that do not resonate with a lot of traditional voters.

    It may turn out as a benefit for Republicans in 2024, or it may not - hard to know.
     
  14. dobro1229

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    Or it could be that Biden just isn't a cult leader type of politician. He doesn't have popularity as a persona, or an identity for that matter. Trump is nothing but identity for his base. Biden is not.

    Joe Biden just isn't popular as a person, but the question is.... is HIS ADMINISTRATION and are his policies popular? I don't think the polling really is capturing the dynamic in this country which IMO is unlikely to have changed much since 2020 and 2022. Gas prices are somewhat stable, inflation has slowed down, job market is solid, infrastructure bill is just now taking shape, etc.

    On the other hand you have the promise from the alternative to have:

    -National abortion ban
    -more tax cuts for corporations
    -looser gun laws/more shootings
    -potential war like aggression towards Mexico/Cartels (might be more popular than we think).
    -More corrupt/hard right Judges
    -and... oh yeah... no more Democracy.
    -Etc.

    So what has changed in the past 2 years that has suddenly made the above "alternative" more appealing to the swing electorate? That's the big question I have. Is it just because of a surge at the border that really is only negatively affecting border towns like El Paso?

    I just don't really understand what the polling is picking up here in such a dramatic change, and it just leads me back to the obvious sentiment that Joe Biden just isn't a cult figure. People on the left ALWAYS want more and more and more, and people on the right will always hate any Democrat so 40% will always strongly disapprove, and they are clear that they are just done with our Democracy anyways.

    So if you add 40% of Americans that watch FoxNews, with the 25% of Americans that are far left that leaves 35% of the country in the middle... which is right where his approval rate bottoms out at. However the 25% of Americans on the left aren't voting for Trump.

    Biden is still very very likely to win again in 2024 IMO.
     
  15. astros123

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    It's truly fascinating how polling can manipulate narratives. The Washington Post poll that shows trump winning college kids by 20 points. This is the same group of voters that biden won by 40 points just 3 years ago



    Now you ask yourself why would the WaPo run a fake manipulated poll which folks will never read the crosstabs. They'll see the title and run with the polling.

    The Washington post wouldn't be releasing a fake poll the same week the FTC is poised to break up amazon which is owned by the owner of wapo would it?

     
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    Literally open the crosstabs of the poll. It has trump winning college kids by 20 points. Why the hell release a poll that you know is fake and wrong?

    If you click the article you get this at the bottom of the page:

    "Trump's legal issues, his erratic behavior — as evident this week in his social media posts — has raised concerns about the former president’s mental state.

    In a flurry of posts this past weekend, Trump accused exiting Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley of a "treasonous act" and suggested he could be executed.
    Trump also mentioned "treason" in vowing to use the presidency to investigate NBC News' parent company, Comcast, over "vicious" coverage of him"

    Isn't it nice that the media thinks that a former president wanting to execute a joint chief General is less important than some made up story about bidens age
     
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    I think they released it because if it leaked out that they had Trump favorable polls they were suppressing it would feed the conspiracy theory narrative that it’s all rigged.

    The fact is the Democratic Party is not a cult and its voters are never going to be satisfied. Nor should they. You also have a base that isn’t paying attention to politics right now, and only hearing the Lester Holt/Local news top line doom and gloom of America.

    I’ll just add that point again… Lester Holt, the Today show, and local news right now KILL Biden in that they gloss of over the negative headlines and fail to mention anything about Trump or House Republicans. We have the news on from 6:30 to 7:15 getting ready for school and holy crap it’s rough. Even NBC right now is having a very negative impact on Bidens favorability with voters who only catch the top line.

    That’s a big part of what we are seeing in the polls now too, and the hope would be that closer to an election voters see the contrast and vote normal… which would be in line with 2020 and 22.
     
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    Yeah I'm sure it had nothing to do that the owner of wapo aka Jeff bezos was sued today by the government in the most damaging lawsuit his company has ever faced.



    The government wants to break up amazon and Bezos releases a fake manipulated poll. This isn't rocket science. This is what billionaires do when they buy up failing media outlets like Twitter , wapo. It's to control the narrative
     
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    I agree that billionaires are a problem. I agree that Amazon is a monopoly that needs to be broken up. I agree that billionaires and corporations involve themselves in the production of political “news” media to fit the narratives they want.

    However in this case with this one poll, I doubt Bezos took time to come down from his perch or from his next space walk to concern himself with one poll and at the same time have that article about said poll say that it’s an outlier poll that voters shouldn’t take too seriously (they don’t say the last part but imply it).

    If billionaires controlling the media wanted to skew polls to fit a narrative that draws ratings I would think they’d be more invested in showing polls that show the race to be neck and neck and a bit of a rollercoaster. They’d also maybe show that the people they care about being influenced are the ones politicians should be catering to.

    So in short I just think polls are not picking up the nuances of American voters right now and maybe won’t ever until there is a better mechanism for polling in the future. What we do have though is past election trends that gives us the best starting point. Then we look at what has changed.
     
  20. dobro1229

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    The big endgame here with Democracy & in the short term Biden's re-election is summarized so well here. Authoritarianism is on the rise globally enough as it is, but here in the US in particular this is why autocracy and fantastical thinking on behalf of the desperate working class is becoming more and more appealing.

    The American electorate that encompasses a big chunk of this working class is just straight fed up with our system of economic disparity. And they will turn towards an autocrat if our economic system isn't fixed... and fast... which is wont be by 2024. So Biden has one hell of a job on his hands to make a compelling argument to these type of workers that they need to give Democracy another shot.

     

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