1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Rodions Kurucs Is A Diamond In The Rough for Rockets Now

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Shark44, Jan 13, 2021.

  1. sealclubber1016

    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2010
    Messages:
    21,403
    Likes Received:
    34,559
    The KPJ stans are having an existential crisis the last 2 weeks LOL

    I honestly don't even remember this guy existing, much less actually remembering any details about him (he was apparently transient matching salary). Wish I could say the same about Porter.
     
  2. kubli9

    kubli9 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2002
    Messages:
    3,147
    Likes Received:
    4,663
    [​IMG]
    Tell us how we're all racists next.
     
  3. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,874
    Likes Received:
    132,757
    I don't believe I have ever supported having Kurucs on the team.

    Also - to get a few facts straight, Porter had already gotten in trouble for assaulting a woman before he joined the Rockets. Porter also had a long history of getting in trouble before he joined the Rockets. The issue I had with Stone wasn't that he traded for Porter. The problem I had was that Porter CONTINUED to be a problem and Stone didn't cut his loses, he covered and excused and ultimately rewarded Porter even when he was a POS.

    As far as domestic violence being next for Porter - no one really being objective was surprised. He had assaulted a woman before, he got into a physical altercation with his coach and had a long history of bad behavior - him getting in trouble for choking a woman and using her face as a speed bag is not at all shocking.

    As for Ime Udoka - he didn't beat a woman and the married woman made a choice to cheat on her husband with Udoka. It isn't a good look, and it does make me question his judgment - and if he gets in trouble again with a woman, no one will be shocked and he will hopefully be fired.

    What I do know is that apparently the owner and the general manager aren't hung up on violence against women or sexual harassment - doesn't exactly make me feel warm inside.
     
  4. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,874
    Likes Received:
    132,757
    I don't believe I have ever supported having Kurucs on the team.

    Also - to get a few facts straight, Porter had already gotten in trouble for assaulting a woman before he joined the Rockets. Porter also had a long history of getting in trouble before he joined the Rockets. The issue I had with Stone wasn't that he traded for Porter. The problem I had was that Porter CONTINUED to be a problem and Stone didn't cut his loses, he covered and excused and ultimately rewarded Porter even when he was a POS.

    As far as domestic violence being next for Porter - no one really being objective was surprised. He had assaulted a woman before, he got into a physical altercation with his coach and had a long history of bad behavior - him getting in trouble for choking a woman and using her face as a speed bag is not at all shocking.

    As for Ime Udoka - he didn't beat a woman and the married woman made a choice to cheat on her husband with Udoka. It isn't a good look, and it does make me question his judgment - and if he gets in trouble again with a woman, no one will be shocked and he will hopefully be fired.

    What I do know is that apparently the owner and the general manager aren't hung up on violence against women or sexual harassment - doesn't exactly make me feel warm inside.
     
  5. Verbal Christ

    Verbal Christ Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    19,925
    Likes Received:
    31,270
    If Stone and Fertitta are going to be blamed for the KPJ fiasco then what happens when the team they built for this year (which by all signs had KPJ already in a diminished role) starts winning? Will they get credit or will everyone just prefer to languish in the past failures? Will this fanbase just continue to flounder about looking to issue blame when the result of this team today was by design or for the numerous losses that lie ahead? Tanking sucks in many ways, but this team is now positioned to be better than what it was 3 years ago and that was always going to take the dead money to fall off the books in order to sign veterans AND some of the young players to hit while a lame duck coach babysat the whole thing.

    Will the team continue to be a 20 win team because of the GM/Owner dynamic? I think they will win in spite of them and in spite of the coach. I have faith in the young core and dont believe for a second that any of them were hindered when the edict was to tank. Seems like everyone understood the assignment and I fully expect them to outplay the expectations, but there I go again being a homer! I forget all the different factions that need to be "right" among the young players and their "only fans" it wasnt just a KPJ issue - its a fanbase issue at large and watch how it continues to manifest next year when the SOFs get mad at JOFs or the FVVOFs for "freezing someone out" and then they will turn their scorn on Udoka. The NEED to be right and first for some is even more important than team success.

    What's done is done. Everyone who needed their attention for being "right" is getting it. Everyone who needed to be exposed as a bad fan is also mired in the muck, but hypocrites dont get to decide who's who. Hopefully the egos can move on and learn how to celebrate a team with genuine support even if it is lead by questionable managers. Im anxious to root for the next whipping boy and cant wait for game 1 so that the Mob can decide that for me. Hopefully its just relegated to nut kickers and technical fouls vs harboring actual criminals.
     
  6. NewAge

    NewAge Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2013
    Messages:
    2,937
    Likes Received:
    3,143
    Nobody’s perfect, but there are degrees of imperfection.

    1. Ime Udoka had bad judgement in having an inappropriate consensual affair.
    2. Rodi Kurucs got into a heated argument with his girlfriend, but then they made.up and went on a Vegas trip… Months later she accused him of assault, without any evidence… some potentially grey area…
    3. KPj is a monster. Period.

    There are degrees of imperfection.
     
  7. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    99,333
    Likes Received:
    49,060
    Half of the NBA fairweather folks and others have not even heard of Rodions Kurucs.....nor do they care.

    The allegations put him on the map.

    He would have been waived or traded as a minor filler regardless.
     
  8. Verbal Christ

    Verbal Christ Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    19,925
    Likes Received:
    31,270
    When a guy pleads guilty, but he's not really guilty and he accepts to do a 16 week domestic violence course because he's not guilty. The nuance with this bunch is bordering on the "stop the steal" movement. -- "well he is a nobody so it was ok to hope for the best"

    twilight zone.
     
  9. NewAge

    NewAge Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2013
    Messages:
    2,937
    Likes Received:
    3,143
    He’s guilty. Guilty of Disorderly Conduct. Not guilty of assault.
    That’s the product of the due process and judicial process.
    Whatever else he is guilty of is entirely a product of @Verbal Christ disturbing brain processes…
     
    daywalker02 and kubli9 like this.
  10. Verbal Christ

    Verbal Christ Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    19,925
    Likes Received:
    31,270
    What Kurocs was CHARGED with is almost identical to what KPJ is charged with VERBATIM except that you cant believe the woman in the Kurocs case because she didnt come to the police fast enough or because there are no pictures! This while you have the benefit of hindsight to aide your pathetic defense of a woman beater. The innocent guy didnt want to proclaim his entire innocence only that he was "disorderly" -- he only lightly smacked her around it was self defense! GTFOH.
     
  11. NewAge

    NewAge Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2013
    Messages:
    2,937
    Likes Received:
    3,143
    Yeah, man, that’s how these things work, they are based on evidence not on your hallucinations….
     
    kubli9 likes this.
  12. Pistol Pete

    Pistol Pete Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 30, 2002
    Messages:
    4,065
    Likes Received:
    2,361
    Agree with you except to add 1 thing Udoka harrassed the woman after he was told to stop. She stopped, he wouldn't. It went beyond the consensual sex.
     
    Verbal Christ and Nook like this.
  13. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,874
    Likes Received:
    132,757
    Absolutely. He also called her a derogatory name in the work place.
     
    Pistol Pete likes this.
  14. AroundTheWorld

    Joined:
    Feb 3, 2000
    Messages:
    83,288
    Likes Received:
    62,281
    Wait, this Kurucs guy played a grand total of 11 games and a grand total of 75 minutes for the Rockets, in the 20-21 season, and we have a KPJ stan here that is trying to use whatever this dude did to try and defend KPJ? LMAO this is hilarious.

    [​IMG]
     
    Pistol Pete and kubli9 like this.
  15. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,810
    Likes Received:
    41,281
    Did he? Did he not?

    We don't know.

    The lack of transparency in the Udoka case is bullshit, because Tilman explicitly told us we're not good Christians unless we forgave him.

    We don't know what to forgive him for! You never told us!
     
    Verbal Christ and Nook like this.
  16. hlmbasketball

    hlmbasketball Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Messages:
    8,257
    Likes Received:
    5,739
    I agree there are degrees of imperfections as stated by the law but if Rodi hit his girlfriend/fiancee and KPJ hits his girlfriend/fiancee, how is it that KPJ is a monster, as you say but Rodi isn't??
     
    Verbal Christ likes this.
  17. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    99,333
    Likes Received:
    49,060
    I am not snooping into Nets basketball business.

    Rodi GF never disclosed any evidence of injuries.

    In this case he harmed the Rockets and the Cavs multiple times and additionally he hurt his intimate woman and what it seems a retaliation move, unlocking the door and went straight to business.

    There is a lot we do not know and for 6 days straight it was kept quiet after Silver commented.

    In the first days evidence leaked out in a much faster interval. The NBA made sure of it and virtually put a huge band aid over that PR disaster but harm was done either way.
     
  18. hlmbasketball

    hlmbasketball Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Messages:
    8,257
    Likes Received:
    5,739
    There is ONE THING you said that I wholeheartedly agree with.....THERE IS A LOT WE DON'T KNOW!

    Not just regarding KPJ or Rodi but all players; NBA and NFL that gets covered up. Just like Rodi's incident was uncovered, there are many other players who have hidden incidents alike.

    Ive always stated and will continue to state, KPJ has a mental/anger management problem, he deserves to be punished BUT he's 23 yrs old and people change as they mature.

    Let him go overseas, mature and come back in 2 - 3 yrs. He'll just be 26, 27.
     
  19. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    99,333
    Likes Received:
    49,060
    I am not a priest or a Christian so I am not inclined to show empathy. We just disagree on that.

    I would rather he would choose another profession and I would never see him again on a basketball court.

    I do not really care if he is 23 or 29......I mean he is a millionaire, why should he be a women beating or coach shoving NBA millionaire?

    A percentage of NBA players is violent like that, one less to worry about!
     
  20. SamFisher

    SamFisher Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    61,810
    Likes Received:
    41,281
    Rodion Kurucs benefited from

    • Being a nobody with no known history of violence
    • Being white
    • His crime not being reported/ him not being arrested till several weeks later
    • His assault not being as severe and not inflicting as much injury
    • Him not attacking a well known former WNBA player
    • Him not being hauled off to the Tombs from a hotel in midtown Manhattan in broad daylight in front of the cameras while his victim is hospitalized also in front of the cameras
    Also due to some or all of these factors he pleaded down to a non criminal violation.

    I don't mean to excuse Rodion Kurucs, because **** that guy to hell, but it's not hard to see how he flew more under the radar.
     

Share This Page