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[2023 NFL Draft/1-2] C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Apr 27, 2023.

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Do you like the selection of C.J. Stroud?

Poll closed Sep 11, 2023.
  1. YES

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  2. NO

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  1. cmoak1982

    cmoak1982 Member
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    Using PFF ranking doesn’t help your argument when it’s based off cumulative stats from previous season where both were hurt or coming off injury.

    PFF is a good tool but there’s not much gray area when there should be for rankings.
     
  2. Verbal Christ

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    The relationship between the existing/new wideouts and CJ is symbiotic. Health is always the biggest variable in all of this, but CJ can put that ball into the wideouts better than Mills could especially in anticipating breaks and coverage. He's threading the needle and giving his guys the chance to pick up YAC. Nico had all the measurables in the world to be an impact receiver, but he was rarely anything more than a decoy or deep threat prior to this year. Its good to see these two guys clicking and gaining confidence as that should have a trickle down effect throughout the team.
     
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  3. J.R.

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    Same Nico Collins who never surpassed 100 yards in a game (until last week)?
    Same Nico Collins who has 3 career TD (coming into this year)?

    “Nico Collins has averaged just under 39 receiving yards per game the past two seasons, despite playing a majority of the snaps in his appearances.” … “He has one game over 70 receiving yards.”

    Robert Woods is barely a “serviceable” number two.

    And the guy most of these people mentioned to “elevate” the WR room is John Metchie (garbage time reception last week)


    https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/in...ps-best-worst-team-units-quarterback-receiver

    31st (WRs)

    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2023-nfl-receiving-corps-rankings

    32. HOUSTON TEXANS

    The Texans bring up the rear in these rankings with no go-to player in the passing game on their roster. I like Robert Woods as a WR2 or WR3, but not as a WR1. I also like Noah Brown, but not as a WR2. The same can be said for Nico Collins.

    John Metchie III could be a good player for Houston, but there is a big unknown with him missing all last season. They did sign tight end Dalton Schultz in free agency, which was a good signing. But his presence raises the floor more than it elevates the ceiling. It’s still very much a rebuilding offense in Houston.


    https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/in...receiver-tight-end-running-back-rankings-2023

    32. Houston Texans

    2022 rank: 32 | 2021 rank: 32

    Sadly, it's another year at the bottom for the Texans. There are positives, no doubt. Dameon Pierce looked like a powerful starting-caliber running back a year ago before suffering an ankle injury. Tight end Dalton Schultz, inked on a one-year deal in free agency, looked like his old self in Dallas down the stretch after he recovered from an October injury; he's a major upgrade at a position Houston has struggled to fill since Owen Daniels left a decade ago. General manager Nick Caserio's philosophy means the team has competent second- and third-string options in Devin Singletary, Mike Boone and Noah Brown.

    At the same time, the Texans ranked 32nd last year and then traded their only wide receiver of any relevance, Brandin Cooks, to the Cowboys. He'll be replaced in the starting lineup by Robert Woods, who didn't show much after the catch with the Titans last season after he tore an ACL with the Rams in November 2021. At 31, Woods might be here for his professionalism and run blocking as much as for his ability as a receiver.

    The hope will yet again be for the young guys to break through. Nico Collins has averaged just under 39 receiving yards per game the past two seasons, despite playing a majority of the snaps in his appearances. Quarterback play hasn't helped, but he has one game over 70 receiving yards. Third-round rookie Tank Dell, meanwhile, will need to prove his 5-foot-8 frame can take regular offensive snaps at the highest level. Dell's primary role in 2023 likely will be on punt returns.

    The most important player might be John Metchie III, who missed all of his rookie season after being diagnosed with leukemia. The Texans sent three picks to the Browns to move up for Metchie in the second round of the 2022 draft, suggesting that Caserio saw him as a future starting wide receiver. Metchie returned to the team this offseason, only to suffer a hamstring injury. Everybody (myself included) is rooting for the 22-year-old to make a full comeback and contribute, but it's also fair to expect him to require time as he ramps back up to the rigors of football.


    https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/best-nfl-wide-receiver-tight-end-rankings/

    31. Houston Texans

    The Texans’ pass catchers ranked no higher than 29th on any ballot and appear to be the weakest link on the roster. That said, a number of young receivers on the depth chart provide Houston with some hope the unit could exceed our low expectations. Former second-round pick John Metchie, who missed the entire 2022 season, is the wildcard who could elevate the group if he lives up to the team’s expectations.
     
  4. cmoak1982

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    Of course a more QB friendly system and a more accurate QB is a benefit, but health is the main factor in their success.
    Nico is a highly physically talented player that has been hurt but has flashed multiple times.
    Woods literally has several 1000 yd seasons but is longer in the tooth and was coming off a serious injury last year.
     
  5. Omihall23

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    Nico has had plenty of healthy games and still hasn’t surpassed 100 yards before. Mills would routinely throw the ball 5-10 feet over his head. Health is not the main factor in Nico’s success. Having an accurate QB is.
     
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  6. Bobbythegreat

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    List of QB's with over 80 pass attempts and 0 interceptions

    CJ Stroud

    End of list.

    That's with absolutely no O line whatsoever

    Give this kid his starting O line back and he looks like he's headed for superstardom.
     
  7. cmoak1982

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    No, sorry. Health is absolutely the biggest factor
     
  8. Fulgore

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    CJ driving Nico’s price up weekly
     
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  9. cmoak1982

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    In 15 starts in Nicos first two seasons as a number 2 WR he has 70 catches for 927 yds at 13.2 per reception.
    He’s shown some big flashes during that time.

    Health is the biggest factor. Next is system and accuracy from QB
     
  10. Sooty

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    Guys remember - throughout Nico’s whole collegiate career (4 years), was the only other time he had over 100 yards - ONCE only.

    Now he does it in game 2 with CJ!
     
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  11. zeeshan2

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    Love this guy's videos; for reference, the one on Fields for Week 2 was an hour and 35 minutes lol
     
  12. tmacfor35

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    He is a Bears fan. Super upset with the Bears OC, who through video you can tell isn't the greatest.

    He does keep it real about Fields though and it ain't pretty.
     
  13. Verbal Christ

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    Really hope so. Don’t want this to be a continuous thing with him
     
  16. red5rocket

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    I remember Deshaun doing this against the blitz vs the Panthers in his first preseason game.



    ….then we never saw it again
     
  17. conquistador#11

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    Coleridge Bernard's doubters are making it seem like it's an easy thing for a rookie to come up and grasp an offense the way Coleridge has. It's not supposed to be easy yet the O.C trusts him like he's a 5 year vet. Crazy. Think about how more wide open his targets would be if the running game was a threat. I know that's a mind blowing thought to average more 3.2 per carry.

    \We also haven't seen him go up against a heavy dose of man coverage defense, so we're just going to have to wait a bit. I'm excited to see how they will approach the Steelers, will he get humbled a bit. Progress from the mistakes. Dalton showing up would be nice too.


    Rankings, Tua should be 10th. Purdy and Love 13th and 14th.

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  18. JayZ750

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    i like this guys vids... no clue if he knows what hes talking about but it sounds like he does. many times in the week 1 review he was like "no clue what the Texans offense is even trying to do here".... which is what im thinking half the time lol
     
  19. tallanvor

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    back up qb in nfl for 10 years. but i guess that doesn't mean he's knowledgeable. Terry Bradshaw is dumb as dirt.
     
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  20. justtxyank

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    Pretty sure he's a big Justin Fields guy.
     

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