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Tillman Fertitta - Laughingstock of NBA Ownership!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Imanimal, Nov 15, 2021.

  1. J.R.

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    DumbDumb: “If you don’t like Tilman, go root for the Spurs or Mavs!”

    Also DumbDumb: “I never said I like Tilman. I will keep b****ing about him.”

    Why not follow your own advice, like you told these other people, and “go cheer for the Spurs or Mavs”.

    When they “b**** about him”, they need to go root for the Spurs and Mavs. When I do it, I’m doing it to keep it totally forrealz man! Keepin’ it 100!
     
  2. DaDakota

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    I ain't going anywhere, been a Rox fan longer than you have been alive, I just don't get caught up in the old - THIS SITUATION IS KILLING THE FRANCHISE or Tillman's reputation, nonsense.

    You are like Chicken Little running around posting other people's thoughts as fast as you can - I mean who the **** cares what is being posted in a social media era? It is temporary, non-consequential - and is gone in a day - people like you think that receipts from previous posts matter, they do not, no one cares.

    People read something, and forget about it within a week or two and most don't even remember - that is what I find funny - bunch of chicken littles like you running around saying...the sky is falling, when....it isn't.......and this episode of enabling a player by Stone, and Tillman will be lost into the annals of history with very few remembering, and NO ONE, caring.

    BTW - like the DumbDumb - that is about as creative as you will ever get - as you rarely post your own thoughts, just sit on the can in your mom's basement searching for Rox news to post "FIRST" here on Clutchfans.....must be some great life ......

    DD - the DumbDumb with the FunFun over the Jealous Rogeting.
     
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  3. daywalker02

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    It is unfortunate and both tragic and funny to have a fake mob boss for an owner.
     
  4. ApacheWarrior

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    Tilman really should concentrate on fish sticks and hush puppies.

    Take Patrick to bus tables and Stone can play Host/Manager

    Sell the team please
     
  5. saleem

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    That's the bottom line. Stone should be fired. Nothing will change though with TF and PF at the helm.
     
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  6. ApacheWarrior

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    You know me @saleem I've given Stone extreme patience and
    and 3 years before casting judgement.

    I was not happy with the draft; but tolerated the Tilman hurry up and win
    mixed in with the Stone new 5-year plan (sorry sir; but there are no reset buttons).
    Amen is a project because he can't shoot (not win now material) while Whitmore
    can give you hustle off the bench like Tari Eason and sneak you some wins
    possibly.

    It's free agency where I feel management completely stunk things up.
    "We had to spend big money".....so we gave it to FVv and Dillon?
    "Don't worry Apache, we can get out of those contracts and move them if need be."
    Liars, nobody will want their contracts unless we wrap them in 1st round picks
    like bacon around pate cat food.

    If Patrick is really calling the shots then Tilman needs to make him GM.
    Stop hiding behind Stone, stop being shielded by Stone. Answer for the
    decisions made like a real GM. Get out of the shadows.
     
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  7. fattz

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    Why? What difference would it make? The same actions are made. You (we) act like the owners care about your (our) thoughts.

    They don’t.

    Stop supporting them and the franchise will be moved to a different place and repackaged. See Bud Adams’s Oilers / Titans. Understand it’s literally their ball they can take it away.

    plus they are only titles anyway. Ownership is the highest tier of all titles and trumps all actions good & bad. Championships are always handed to the owners of the franchise not the front office, coaching staff, players or fans. Ask Les Alexander who they belong to.

    enjoy the offseason.
     
  8. ApacheWarrior

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    Fans is short for fanatics, it's a business first and foremost and the owners
    and management need to put a product that the fans will like or they risk
    the fans not viewing. In turn the product is not accepted. In turn the product
    does not turn a profit.

    Tilman hinted in the press conference announcing Udoka that he wants
    to win. Blame me the fan all you want but I didn't construct a team that
    lacks outside shooting. That was them. Them is whom?

    Tilman pulls some strings al la Jerry Jones and his son for ego
    purposes? Patrick pulls some strings like Jerry Jones' son?
    Stone has poor judgement and is just a puppet to the owner(s)?
    Udoka stresses defense; but his offense may be one of the worst
    in history due to no proven shooters?

    I was an Oilers fan since the early 70's and then they moved to Tennessee.
    I refused to root for the Titans. Texans came about and I rooted for them
    until DeShaun Watson and I couldn't stand the guy. Stopped watching.
    Will watch again because I like CJ Stroud.

    Never stopped watching the Astros since the early 70's. Through thick or thin.

    Am considering not watching the Rockets in the first time in my life.
    But I do like, Jalen Green, Jabari, Whitmore, and Tari. You can call me
    a fair weather fan, but it's a free country and if I think the team stinks
    then it's my right to think the team stinks. If I want to watch them
    then I will watch them.....if not then I won't. I spend a good chunk
    of change on the TV network.....I can easily cancel that prescription.
    I have a hard time watching VanVleet and @$$ clown Dillon Brooks.

    I'll watch them through preseason and make a judgement call.
    You and others may not see me for a while. Many will say good
    riddance....to them ill say good riddance to them as well.
    As the title expresses: Tilman is a laughingstock.....and i
    happen to agree with. Again that's my right. Move the team.
    We deserve better. He may move to Vegas with my backing anyway.
    I can only control the things I can control. My full support didn't
    keep the Oilers in Houston.
     
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  9. fattz

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    Fan comes from fandom. Fandom refers to a community of people who are passionate about something, whether it's a film, a band, a television show, a book, or a sports team.

    There is nothing wrong with you (us) that winning won’t fix. I wanted a Rocket rebuild years before we got one. We were beyond broken.

    These are hard times to go through and a lot of folks won’t. (Dusty Roads)

    Silas and Porter were both pawns in a much bigger game. Timing is perfect Porter never touched the coach or our newest rookies. Both the rookies play similar role as Porter, too. His absence opens playing time for them.
    Silas not being able to develop over half the rookies was sad moment. We gave a lot to get the picks for them to just get cut. Each had value because other teams have made room for them on their roster. Showing the front office did do a solid job in the draft. They were mishandled by the coaching staff that is now gone.

    this off-season has been great as a Rocket fan. (Less Porter physically hurting people). His absence doesn’t hurt the team / it may actually help us.
     
  10. ApacheWarrior

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    Keep telling yourself that.

    Las Vegas is not in the business of losing money.

    They have professional basketball minds breaking down things when putting
    the betting line.....on wins in this case. Rockets at 31.5 wins.
    (I had the Rockets at 31 wins before they did.....you may not think I know basketball, but I do)

    That's not a successful offseason in my regards. That's more losing.
    That's not Tilman, "I want to see wins.". That's Tilman is going to blow
    things up at the end of the season.

    I watched the Rockets the past 3 seasons accepting losses knowing
    that the Rockets were tanking for Cade, Banchero and then Wemby.
    But to lose while wanting to win and bringing in the most boring
    player in VanVleet and complete jack @$$ Dillon Brooks. I'm
    not seeing successful offseason.

    But you be you and I'll be me. League is talking expansion. New team in Seattle.
    They can move the Rockets to Vegas and give Houston another franchise. Bye
    Tilman and Patrick Fertitta.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_(person)#
     
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  11. krosfyah

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    Just to be clear, Vegas odds are not predictions. 31.5 is a number they derive to entice you to place a bet. I've never seen the stats, but in football games, I feel Vegas odds are wrong 80% of the time. Vegas might get the winner or loser, but they almost never predict the exact score.

    This is a great guess because if the Rocket's click, they could get 40 wins. If they don't have chemistry, they'll be at 25. So we'll see.

    In short, I'm on a wait and see. Most predictions indicate OKC and Houston have the best set of young talent. I'm on a wait and see. It could work.
     
  12. Dredd

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    Rockets had money to spend in the wrong offseason. FVV overpaid etc.
     
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    This is probably a true statement. That said, sometimes things work out. FVV might be a perfect fit.
     
  14. daywalker02

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    Perfectness is a man made word.
     
  15. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Vegas Odds makers don't make money because they are great at setting lines (they are decent) but because over the long run, people are worse than they are and they profit off the spread anyway. It's more important to get action on both sides than anything else. Vegas isn't in the business of making accurate predictions, they are making money. Their predictions only have to be realistic and logical. There's no way for them to anticipate certain things.

    For instance - switching from a terrible coach to a great coach
    Improvement in team culture and chemistry
    Brining in vets to stabilize the offense and defense

    There's no statistical model for any of that. They can only look at the personnel involved, past performance, projected growth, and run a forecast for a season based on that.
     
  16. ApacheWarrior

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    80% of the time. They go over/under because trying to predict exact score
    is unreal. Not happening. But you notice the house (casino or Vegas)
    wins most of the time. Meaning they win more times than not. Otherwise
    they wouldn't stay in business. If you were running things and had to
    pay out bets.....you would hire the best at what they know to minimize
    losses.or you wouldn't be in business long.

    Yes OKC and Houston have the best young talent (stretched over time)
    But does not mean or equate to win now (today). I've said the Rockets
    winning about 31 games does not mean they will be stuck at 31 wins
    for years. I expect them to win more the following season (24/25).
    Natural maturity, second year familiarity with same coach and systems,
    familiarity with teammates.

    Problem is we have two timelines being forced together:
    1) the Tilman we must win now and Udoka I've never missed the playoffs
    as a head coach (nevermind Udoka took over a Brad Stevens led annual PO team)
    and
    2) give our young kids 5 years to develop

    The 2nd we have been hearing for 3 years and most are tired of it from this same
    crew. Well it was Silas!! No, the top get most of that blame as well. I said,
    when Silas was hired that he was going to get blamed or scapegoated as
    a bad coach for tanking just like John Lucas did in Cleveland and in
    Philly. Sure enough it happened.

    Whether it be Tilman, Patrick , or Stone this the fourth year of the rebuild
    is all I'm giving them. The trust the process of Philly going 7 years
    of rebuild is not where we should be heading.

    I said Philly made the same mistakes.
    1) pick Best player available.
    2) all the young kids demand playing time (why we had to give up Kenyon
    just like the 76ers had to trade Okafor and Nerlens Noel or lose them for
    nothing in free agency. MCW, Elfrid Payton, Ben Simmons, Fultz.....
    similar to TyTy, Garuba. Kenyon, Josh Christopher, and probably Tate.

    You have to trade our players for good vets or it just becomes a cluster
    **** situation. VanVleet was an All Star, Apache....that's deceptive
    and no longer had those players carrying him the last two years.
    Came off the bench in their championship run.

    Dillon Brooks was a PER of 9 last season on a good team. Doesn't have
    DPOY JJJ and Steven Adams playing behind him anymore.
     
  17. KingCheetah

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    Oh, really?
     
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    Laughing stock of NBA who had the best coach on the market sign here the day after the season ended

    Dude swallowed losing for 3 years to set this team up for the next 10

    Besides KPJ trying to kill his girlfriend this tank job is a masterpiece

    Wouldn’t y’all be on suicide watch if Harden was steal on this team?
     
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  19. ApacheWarrior

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    Which casinos have had to cash out bets for Mattress Mack or Sheiks from
    United Arab Emirates?

    They have to brace for all big bets and end up close to their predictions
    or lose their shirts. File for bankruptcy.

    They can't win 100% of all bets or nobody would place bets.....duh

    While In the casino your best bet is counting cards at the black jack or poker tables.
    But their security cameras are looking for those people and run them off.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/gamblers-paying-more-winning-less-las-vegas-casinos-2023-5
     
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    Enjoying this recent ratio. I think most of this will tamp down once the season starts. Say what you will about Hushpuppies, but Tilman’s heart is dedicated to Houston.
     

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