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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Deckard

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    Four very prominent Republican Senators:

     
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  2. Space Ghost

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    I don't think I said peace would be achieved if the US stops giving aid. I have specifically stated this isn't our problem.
    This country has been sold a bad bill of goods. Which is it - Russia will take over Europe ... or is Russia so incompetent they can't take over a country like Ukraine. Either way, it's not our problem ... and Russia is not invading a NATO nation. There is zero evidence any country wants an All-In war and attacking a NATO nation will surely bring this response. China doesn't want this and Russia doesn't stand a chance if China turns its back to Russia.

    I never stated Biden had the full NATO authority. I am aware all it takes is 1 hold out to prevent Ukraine from joining NATO...and that's why I find it laughable at this point.
     
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    what makes them very prominent?
     
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    All four senators will vote for trump in 24 who has said he will end the war in 24 hours. The idea these senators are anything more than donkeys is hilarious.
     
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    Who seriously believes this ****? Honestly? Russia can't defeat ukrianian army with 2nd generation usa weapons from the 1990s and were suppose to believe that Russia is going somehow fight all of NATO in a decade when they've lost half their armor?

    Give me a break. Zelensky tried this sort of language with Biden and biden kicked him out of the oval office according to the book. Zelensky thinks people are dumb.

    Helping UKR is the right thing to do bcz they didn't deserve this. Twisting the narrative and claiming if we don't help Russia is going start ww3 is so utterly dumb
     
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    Zelensky is giving the worst case scenario - he is right, Russia might go into another country....to me, now is the time to negotiate.....part of any deal would be instant entry into NATO for whatever portion of Ukraine is negotiated.

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    Thank you for some common sense . Seriously you get it. People are finally starting to see the light.

    We all want UKR to win and we all agree they deserve to keep all their territory. Unfortunately we have a racist facist who's the leading canidate for the opposing party who's platform revolves around throwing ukr to putin within 24 hours.

    Look out for yourself and secure a ironclad security agreement before the next election. If Zelensky had half a brain he would be calling for this.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    The only way the UKRAINE wins is if we go all out on support and everyone else does too and has the Ukraine go INTO Russia/Belarus - forcing Putin to sue for peace.

    What we have done is setup a lend lease program where they owe us for weapons used, most of which are out of date or use in the USA and are 2 to 3 generations behind.....and we are using our stockpile to weaken Russia - it is an excellent strategy, but we need to have an end game.

    If it is to kick Russia out, then we need to go all in.....if it is to bleed them dry, we are about there now.

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    This is very true, but utterly disgusting. We put Ukraine in decades of debt because we handed them outdated equipment for the MIC to profit billions? I thought you were against war profiteering.
     
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    What in the hell are you talking about? We havnt given UKR any aid from the lend lease program. The weapons they've gotten were done by presidential drawdown which they don't have to pay back. Yall sound so utterly dumb spewing lies. We use to be a educated society. What happened.

    Mark Miley the top general said it's cheaper for us to give the weapons to ukr than it would be for us to get rid of them properly.
     
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  13. Space Ghost

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    You're so cute.

    If Ukraine survives this, they are the US's b****es for a long time to come. Unfortunately recent history tends to tell us that this ends up being a bad play for the US but a great deal for the war profiteers.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    They always forgive that debt.....ALWAYS.

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    Again. We've destroyed half of the Russian heavy armor by spending 10% of our military budget while getting rid of all of our old **** we had in inventory.

    We're giving them first generation Bradley's, strykers, and other IVs when were already manufacturing the next generation of vehicles. From a US prospective the ukraine war was a massive success. We've eliminated Russia ability to help China in case of a direct war with china.

    Now is the time to push for peace while we can give ukraine security assurances and this war will be a massive success
     
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    What are the odds that the missing F35 is going to show up in Ukraine?
     
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  17. DaDakota

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    That depends upon whether our end game is Putin's removal or just where we are now? We might want to carry on through the winter to give the Russian populace more time to revolt and toss him out.....

    This is a political game of risk, with real people as the pieces........it isn't humane but it is great strategy.

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    The guy ejected and it carried on flying in Autopilot....lol wtf was the pilot doing?

    DD
     
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    Putins removal? Putin isn't getting removed anytime soon. Don't live on cloud 9 aka lala land. We've destroyed Russian heavy equipment and our tech export controls on Russia will prevent them from re arming.
     

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