vietnam resulted in millions of vietnamese deaths and the communists still took the entire county. The south vietnamese either evac or got rekt. The entire war was fought to get rid of the commies, those commies have been our allies now so what was the freaking point?
Because we were told if we lost, the commies would take over the world. We lost. A ceasefire with Ukraine will not be catastrophic over the long term. Ukraine could be a great trading partner with Russia and Europe over time.
Milley says Ukraine has 30-45 days before the weather/mud will kill the offensive. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ukraine-mark-milley-bbc-laura-kuenssberg-russia-b2408716.html Speaking to the BBC’s Sunday With Laura Kuenssberg, General Mark Milley said it will become “very difficult to manoeuvre” once the rains come. “That offensive kicked off about 90 days ago,” he said. “It has gone slower than the planners anticipated. But that is a difference between what (Prussian general and military theorist Carl von) Clausewitz called war on paper and real war. So these are real people in real vehicles that are fighting through real minefields, and there’s real death and destruction, and there’s real friction. “And there’s still a reasonable amount of time – probably about 30 to 45 days’ worth of fighting weather left.” “So the Ukrainians aren’t done,” he said. “This battle is not done. They haven’t finished the fighting part of what they’re trying to accomplish. So, we’ll see… it’s too early to say how this is going to end. They at least have achieved partial success in what they set out to do, and that’s important. And then the rains will come in. It’ll become very muddy." “It’ll be very difficult to manoeuvre at that point, and then you’ll get the deep winter, and then, at that point, we’ll see where things go. “But right now it is way too early to say that this offensive has failed or not failed.”
Jesus Christ. It's astounding that you and @Space Ghost can't grasp that in this historical analogy the U.S. was the invader, as Russia is today in Ukraine. The lesson from Vietnam is that people will fight fiercely against foreign invaders and because of this it was possible for a small country to defeat the greatest military power the world had ever known.
This is too cute. My issue is the narrative. "we must stop communist" "we must stop the terrorists" "they had weapons of mass destruction" "we must stop Russia or they will take over Europe" "Russia is so incompetent they couldn't take Ukraine. Economy is going to collapse. Using older outdated equipment/running out of supplies" WWII was the opposite. We stayed isolationist until we were forced into the war. We entered the war when the Axis power was winning and advancing. Russia isn't advancing anymore. There is no end game in this Ukraine conflict other than the usual wishing away the problem "well Russia could just leave". WWII goal was simple - Complete unconditional surrender. Without a goal, the war continues on indefinitely until it turns into a war of attrition. You were once again sold lies. You were told sanctioning Russia would cause their country to collapse. I stated from the beginning sanctions have very limited effects on a country like Russia and more and more people are coming out admitting this. As long as Russia has China, they can continue this war for quite a long time, a lot longer than Ukraine can replace recruits.
Can completely agree though the contrarian in me searches for examples. For myself, I regret the Texians' fight to be free from Mexico. Though it's because it was an injustice, not because we suffered too much in the fighting. And anyway, that certainly isn't a majority position in Texas. Biggest disaster in freedoms won was probably Haiti's revolution in which they won their freedom but were so saddled with reparations that they've suffered underinvestment, poverty, exploitation, corruption, and dictatorship ever since. That was a price too big for freedom, though you could argue the fault was that Haiti didn't fight enough. They agreed to reparations to avoid being re-invaded. Lol, it isn't the second amendment types keeping foreign invaders out.
As usual, your post is incoherent. First you say your issue is the narrative AND THEN IN THE SAME POST you claim that Ukraine can't win because of China and a lack of recruits. Additionally, you say "Russia isn't advancing any more." I mean what the ****. I almost don't even know how to respond. It's truly like you live in an alternative reality. This entire conflict is because of Russia "advancing" into Ukraine. And finally, I can't think of a recent conflict where the end game is more clear- Russia withdraws from Ukraine territory. Of course, that doesn't mean it's easy or guaranteed, but it is quite clear.
My understanding is the liberation of slaves in Haiti greatly inspired the liberation of slaves in the U.S. Also whenever I hear the Alamo I always think of how Texas owned slaves and it was Mexico who had ended slavery who were fighting to liberate slaves under American control. Yet, the way American history presents it, it was Texas fighting for it's freedom and independence from Mexico.
Ok. Send in US troops. It's the only way you're getting Russia out without a conditional withdraw. This is what you war mongers want. You're not going to get an unconditional withdraw without massive casualties from some other country beside Ukraine.
You put anyone on ignore who's opinions you don't share? Trolling and having bad faith arguments is one thing but putting everyone on ignore with whom you don't agree with is weak. I've never posted disinformation or conspiracies. Are you okay? Why do you make low hanging attacks like that
You're absolutely correct. You are steelmannIng my point. Living in a fantasy of a foreign invasion is a near zero probability in out lifetime. We haven't the first clue what it's like to be faced with such an event
That would be a cool ****ing last name. Or even nickname. "Steelman" Yep, I can get with that. Definitely.
I have to admit I have a hard time even understanding the point you're trying to make much of the time, since your writing is full of contradictions and weird illogic.
