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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Redfish81

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    Yes, I am aware of the counter battery systems. The Russians make the AN/TPQ-36 counter battery radar system a primary target when they find one. If you just Google "AN/TPQ-36 destroyed" you will find a bunch of articles about them being destroyed by the Russians. Those Excalibur GPS guided artillery rounds are also around 100k a piece compared to like 500 bucks for a traditional 155 shell.

    Clearing mine fields before/during an assault is a nightmare in this war. The artillery is an issue. Russian helicopters are another issue in clearing mines. Also, the Russians went nuts putting mines everywhere. Ukraine doesn't have enough engineers as a lot of them have been killed and the amount of mines is staggering.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e most,casualties in the engineering brigades.
     
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    prevarication kills.
     
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    Still deals with doing everything to help or not everything.
     
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    The book talks about how biden thinks zelensky doesn't care about American safety and how zelensky has mocked biden for his sensitivity around nukes......yikes

    Any comment @rocketsjudoka
     
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    are you asking why I didn't criticize FDR at the time?
     
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    Elon Musk Cut Off Ukraine’s Starlink Access During Drone Attack, According To His Biographer
    William Skipworth
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    I am a breaking news reporter.

    Sep 7, 2023,03:27pm EDT

    KEY FACTS
    Musk reportedly turned off access to SpaceX’s Starlink service, which Ukrainian forces have relied heavily on for communication, while the Ukrainian military was attempting a submarine drone strike on a Russian naval fleet in the Black Sea, according to the book.


    He reportedly did so out of fear it would be like a “mini-Pearl Harbor” that inspired Russian retaliation, and told Ukrainian officials begging him to restore access around Crimea that he wouldn’t because Ukraine “is now going too far and inviting strategic defeat.”


    Musk reportedly had been in communication with senior Russian officials.


    Neither SpaceX nor Musk responded to Forbes’ request for comment Thursday.
     
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  8. Space Ghost

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    I think it's just another way for Elon to interject himself into **** he has nothing to do with. Remember when he said he could rescue those soccer players with his shitty mini-sub and then accused the rescue diver that saved the soccer players of being a pedo?

    Dude can't stop sucking his own dick in public. The self fellating billionaire.
     
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  10. Amiga

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    It is really ugly and unnecessary for Elon Musk, as a private citizen, to attempt to influence military operations. He is not known for having accurate visions of unfolding events or for keeping his ego in check when dealing with matters outside his expertise. We've seen him easily fooled and pulled into right-wing conspiracies, and his misunderstanding of cave rescue operations while acting as if he knows better. Regardless of one's capability to accurately perceive events and what actually transpires, decisions about military operations should be left entirely to military and political leaders, with no role for Musk. Given his oversized and overly sensitive ego, it's unlikely that he would restrain himself. If he or any other powerful private citizen ever attempts to act as a hero and interfere in military operations, limit their scope, or change their direction because of personal views, the U.S. government must find a way to prioritize and defend its objectives over any individual. Now, it's also possible that the U.S. government told him not to extend the capability—in which case, he's simply doing what he was asked and isn't stretching his hero ego image.
     
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    According to this, Musk also cannot be trusted to keep military correspondence confidential.

    Elon Musk ‘committed evil’ with Starlink order, says Ukrainian official | Elon Musk | The Guardian

    Also on Friday, Ukrainian deputy prime minister Mykhailo Fedorov told the Financial Times that Musk shared with Isaacson confidential exchanges about military access to Starlink without permission from Fedorov.

    “It’s not very pretty,” Fedorov told the Financial Times.

    “I’ve never shown or talked about our correspondence publicly.”
     
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  12. Space Ghost

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    Seems like you're suggesting Musk should pull Starlink from Ukraine all together.

    Industry tip: Next best service cost 20x for comparable service.
     
  13. Deckard

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    I didn't take that from @txtony's post at all. You have a very "targeted" imagination.
     
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  14. Amiga

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    No.

    I do suggest that Congress investigate Musk for his behavior here. This shouldn’t be controversial. A private citizen shouldn’t have this power and shouldn’t act on it. I remember that you were rightly concerned with a single man having this level of power and control.
     
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    Pizdec!

    When your homemade MLRS won't let go of the rockets, and instead you inadvertently compete for a new land speed record.

     
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  16. Space Ghost

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    I do.

    When you say 'here', are you referring to this latest drama?

    Musk stated the service was never activated. I tend to believe that over the idea Musk had some insider knowledge of a very covert military plan and shut them off.
    If this is this case, this is a very shitty ploy by the media and those in Ukraine who are trying to paint Musk as a villan.
     
  17. Amiga

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    This isn't new. We had inklings about Musk's actions, but it was speculative until the recent biography revealed more and Musk himself stated he rejected Ukraine's request, refusing to activate Starlink for purposes he believes could trigger catastrophic war (paraphrasing - his tweet had specifics that likely should have remained confidential). I believe this public tweet, along with the biography, prompted Ukraine's deputy PM to accuse Musk of sharing confidential Starlink access details. This situation highlights the immense power Musk wields as an individual over vital military operations. Regardless of one's views on escalation risks, such unilateral power concentrated in one unelected person is troubling. Critical military decisions should be made by elected leaders, not tech billionaires. The DoD's Starlink contract apparently allows Musk this level of control. Whether due to lack of options or other reasons, one person having such authority is very problematic.
     
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    LOL.... And he solved world hunger.

    Strange how Elon was quit when Russia was targeting civilian population centers.
     
  19. dmoneybangbang

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    What's going to happen when China invades Taiwan. Where will Musk's loyalties lie?
     
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    Seems like you're suggesting NASA/GAO should take this into consideration in the future

    Industry tip: Government RFPs are designed for this very reason.
     
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