You keep conflating accuracy talks with athleticism talks. All you have to do is read, literally right above you have a poster saying Stroud is athletic as Mahomes or Rodgers. They want him to be a type of player he’s not going to be because it’s somehow a negative that he’s closer to Matt Ryan, Goff or Jameis Winston athletically. Accuracy is another conversation, he has a big league arm in terms of strength and accuracy. As long as he has time and within structure he can be dangerous. The only downside I’ve said is he doesn’t have the same ability that Mahomes/Rodgers/Burrow have to extend plays or make plays when things break down. He can take up yardage on rollouts and designed movement. Just like almost every QB in the league now.
I hate to put a cap on Stroud because we can only say at this time what he's shown thus far. However, from what I see, he has accuracy like Burrow, athleticism like Prescott, Burrow and/or Rodgers. But he still has not played one full game! So for me or anybody to say, he is this or that would be inaccurate. Im willing to give him until the end of the season and we can better assess him then.
I don’t put him with Ryan, Goff, and Winston because he has more straight line speed than all of them. If you’re including elusiveness in there as well than yes at the moment with what he has demonstrated his elusiveness is closer to those three than to Mahomes, etc.
I get what you're saying What this comes down to, is Stroud going to be able to process as fast as Burrow does. They're similar athletically.
Rodgers does not have burst in short areas. He has to build up. Mahommes is more twitch. I equate burst more with Lamar Jackson. Burst to me is someone who can go from one point to another in an instance. The hesitancy comes from a lack of experience, that will diminish over time.
When you say things like Rodgers doesn’t have burst, it really diminishes your opinion. Prime Rodgers was a faster Mahomes. Burst is short area, like Pierce. Lamar has every athletic trait, and if that is your opinion of burst (completely wrong) then nowhere and I mean nowhere should you say Stroud is athletic.
It’s absolutely a big part of athleticism, but there isn’t just one metric that makes up the entire picture. No one would say Usain Bolt lacks athleticism and his defining trait is world class straight line speed. Making these ridiculous statements while appealing to authority really ruins your credibility.
Straight line speed is a small factor of athleticism in football. Specifically in positions outside of corner/receiver. Short area burst, ie- 10 yd splits, 3 cone, shuttles, broad jump and verticals are more important than straight line speed in almost every position. In fact, straight line speed is a second tier attribute in most sports. Regardless, Stroud is around a 4.75-4.8 guy top end speed. The definition of average straight line speed in the NFL. Most of the others offer more agility and quickness. You can’t bring up a track athlete that runs straight lines and compare the two, that’s the definition of false equivalency.
We dont him to be explosive, also, I dont see Burrow, Lawrence, and most of the QB being that elusive, explosive, like Lamar Jackson or Justin Fields. and here it is another highlights, Stroud actually evading people
You don’t see Burrow or Lawrence being elusive or agile? You know that thing called burst? I don’t know what to tell you then, there was literally a survey of front office NFL guys done on ESPN that has them as top 10. So, you’re wrong. As to the video, a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. He has far more video of him being chased down or hit without making anyone miss. All I’m saying is stop trying to compare him physically to guys he has nowhere near the ability. If you want to compare him to someone athletically it would be a slightly slower Carr or a little faster straight line Goff.
Also, did you watch the video? I’ve posted it multiple times. He doesn’t make anyone miss, he gets ran down by lineman and linebackers and takes needless hits. All of those runs are wide open running lanes, he can take those, just like literally every QB in the NFL currently
No, I’m saying Pierce is a burst guy not a top end guy. Like Rodgers in his prime. Or Luck, you know the guy you said wasn’t mobile
LOL, every QB that runs takes needless hits, why do you think Lamar gets injured too often? because he takes needless hits, why do you think RG3 didnt succeed besides his rookie year, because he took needless hits, why you do think Tua got concussed several times last year, because he took needless hits instead of throwing the ball away. most of the QBs in the NFL takes needless hits, because they dont know how to slide properly. for most of the video Stroud doesnt take needless hits, he avoids by going out of bounds, or going to the ground. Most of the video, he doesnt get ran down by linebackers. What wide open running lanes? you can see some evading pressure in the pocket and running
So Rodgers and Luck are top end burst guys but Pierce isnt? I just wanted to be straight, before you start drinking but it seems as though you've already started
Can you read? Like seriously, can you read? None of that was said. Also, imagine saying this guy is a straight line average athlete
He gets hit or ran down on almost every play you posted. Multiple on the sidelines, and in the middle of the field. Where he makes no one miss. And are you blind? Every play was a wide open rush lane
LOL like the other poster, first you said Stroud wasnt mobile, now you say he is mobile but not elusive or explosive.
No, I’m saying he’s neither. Like I’ve said from the beginning. He isn’t mobile or explosive or elusive. He had average straight line speed for an NFL QB and can be serviceable on rollouts or bootlegs
