Georgia starts investigation into Trump's election interference

As you have been corrected countless times already...

1.) A grand jury indicted Trump, not Biden. Biden has nothing to do with Georgia.
2.) Trump wasn't indicted for criticizing the election, he was indicted for a criminal conspiracy attempting create a false slate of electors, and therefore defrauding the voters of Georgia.

 

This is awesome opinion that happens to be written by one the the defense attorneys.

No, not Turley or Althouse, I mean one of the actual defense attorneys.

 

grand juries almost always indict. that's what grand juries do

 

The grand jury considers evidence and decides whether to indict based on that evidence. That’s literally their task.

 

Why Grand Juries Do Not (and Cannot) Protect the Accused

https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2544&context=clr

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_This?

 

@Commodore is a perfect example of someone who has been manipulated by lies from Team Trump.

Everyone except the brainwashed cult knows that Trump is a lying criminal. MAGA politicians, and Team Trump people know that. They only keep spurting lies to confuse and incite their voters into believing the opposite of the truth. Truth Social is nothing but Trump's platform to spread propaganda and lies. They have to portray Trump as a victim and honest man, and Joe Biden and everyone else, who didn't vote for Trump as the enemy.

It started way back before the election, and has continued ever since. Think about how much BS and propaganda you have to spread to brainwash a bunch of Trump voters into believing all this stuff. You start by telling them all news except Trump promoting stations and websites are Fake News. You have to feed their minds with half truths, and hope they don't read the actual reports, statements, testimonies, or witness statements, or any other facts. Then, you repeat the lies over and over and over and over and over.

Team Trump would rather simply wave the whole thing away as a partisan attack. They called the initial inquiries and hearings a kangaroo court, so their supporters wouldn't watch or read it. They didn't tell them that the included references to documents or text messages were from allies of Trump incriminating the former president. Let me repeat. They were Allies of Trump!

Nearly all of the witnesses who presented in-person testimony before the committee were members of Trump’s party or former members of his administration or campaign. Nearly all of the evidence shown that was collected in depositions came from his former allies and staff. It was a sweeping presentation of Trump’s culpability that also came from people who at one point were in his inner circle.

Here we are now, when the charges are being made, and now, even the people of the Grand Jury are being portrayed as the enemy, and Team Biden's political persecutors. Meanwhile the "criminal" is still lying, and Team Trump is still spreading those lies. Everyone is the enemy except MAGA! It's a perfect example of brainwashing a cult.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...gainst-trump-came-republicans-trump-staffers/

 

There really is no defense at this point so all they can do is keep telling the same lie over and over and over and over even when they know it's not true.

 

tulsi repeating a trump lie. Shocking. But tulsi knows pretending pretty well, since she pretended to be a Democrat when it was convenient for her to campaign in a blue state.

 

I looked it up, and damn, even more than I thought.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rand-juries-indict-99-99-percent-of-the-time/

Now, that piece was trying to show how anomalous it was to not indict LEOs in the Michael Brown case, and may have narrowly selected its data set. Even so. Your assertion is valid. I don't think it's therefore meaningless to say someone is indicted at the federal level. The data, we could argue, show that federal prosecutors work very slowly and methodically and don't bring anything to the grand jury stage unless they feel rock solid about their evidence.

 

LOL... maga plays the race card, and the prosecutor (who also happens to be black) counters with receipts. I also believe floyd was also out on bond for assaulting an FBI agent earlier this year?

 

That is true. A grand jury failing to indict means the prosecution had absolutely no case or that they intentionally sandbagged themselves because they didn't want to indict in the first place.

 

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When anyone appears with Steve Bannon there is sure to be a whole lot of BS.

 

https://blog.simplejustice.us/2023/08/29/tuesday-talk-did-the-georgia-indictment-push-too-far/

Tuesday Talk*: Did The Georgia Indictment Push Too Far?
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SCOTT H. GREENFIELD
August 29, 2023

Georgia criminal defense lawyer and former Fault Lines colleague, Andrew Fleischman, explains in a New York Times op-ed some of the legal and tactical problem arising from the scope and breadth of the Georgia indictment against Trump and his 18 co-defendants.

By assembling a sprawling, 19-defendant RICO indictment with 41 counts, District Attorney Fani Willis of Fulton County has brought the sort of charging instrument that has typically led to monthslong trials, complicated appeals and exhaustion for the participating attorneys. Now, as some co-defendants seek federal removal while others demand speedy trials in state court, we are starting to see the costs of complexity.

For many, it is a satisfying political document. But as a legal instrument, its ambitious scope will provide the co-defendants with many opportunities for delay, appeals, and constitutional challenges.​

Fani Willis did what Jack Smith strategically chose not to do, wrap all the accusations against all the players up in one overarching indictment. It provides a breathtaking overview of the putative crimes that occurred in Georgia, and to some extent elsewhere as well. But as much as many non-lawyers are happy to gloss over the nasty details of these offenses, such as their elements and mens rea, in their “obvious” conclusion that he’s guilty, there are very real issues that will be exposed by the defense and potentially exploited. Even if Trump ultimately loses on his myriad arguments about the constitutionality and nuts and bolts of the allegations, it will give rise to significant potential delays to fight over legitimate legal questions.

Solicitation requires you to ask someone else to commit a felony intentionally. In this case, the oath of office the defendants were being asked to violate was a promise to follow the Constitution and do what’s best for their constituents. It is indeed a crime in Georgia for a public officer to “willfully and intentionally” violate the terms of his oath.

Here’s the problem: It’s hard enough to prove that Mr. Trump’s request violates the Constitution, since the Constitution allows states to figure out how to select electors. But then the state must also prove that Mr. Trump knew this would violate the electors’ oath of office.

It seems possible that Mr. Trump had no idea what these officials’ oath of office was, maybe even no idea that they swore an oath at all. Under Georgia’s “mistake of fact” affirmative defense, if Mr. Trump has some evidence that he was operating under a “misapprehension of fact” that would justify his actions, the state must disprove it beyond a reasonable doubt.​

Then there are the problems raised by 19 defendants who run in different directions.

And it’s not just the charges that complicate things, but the sheer number of defendants. A judge granted one co-defendant, Ken Chesebro, a speedy trial, which will require Fulton County to bring this case to trial by Nov. 3 or acquit him as a matter of law. (Sidney Powell has also requested a speedy trial.)​

Will Chesebro’s (and Powell’s?) trials provide Trump’s defense team, which has sought far more time to prepare for trial, with the prosecution’s road map so they can prepare for it when his turn comes?

So it is an odd legal choice to drag a jury through weak, disputed counts in a monthslong trial when you could just focus on the counts that are hard to challenge and easy to explain, saving weeks in the process. The RICO count will already require dozens of witnesses and some complicated instructions, so tossing in these oath of office charges seems like a recipe for confusion and delay.

Other than filling the hearts of Trump’s haters with joy at knowing that he was charged with RICO, will this expansive strategy end up backfiring on Fani Willis, who bit off more than she can chew, or at least more than she can chew in time for any of it to matter?

But there are a dozen ways that things can go sideways, and it is very possible that history will remember the two years that Fulton County took to bring these charges as a wasted opportunity to make a simpler case.​

Was it necessary to charge Trump and gang with everything possible, or will this end up being too broad, too numerous, too complex, even if Trump is eventually convicted of something if not everything in Georgia?
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When anyone appears with Steve Bannon there is sure to be a whole lot of BS.[/QUOTE]

I assume that anytime I see Bannon also, the same with tunker, MTG, Gaetz, Booberet, Mccarthy, Comer, Gymmy Jordan, trump, trump jr and of the trumps.............hell, any of the right wing extremists.............oh and anyone on fox variety show, OAN or any other right wing cable show.

 

The defenses these guys come up with are so laughably pathetic...