Damn I can't believe there's so many back and forth on a pass lol. The throw wasn't perfect, but it was thrown well. Any average to slightly above average WR would've been able to catch and bring down the ball safely.
I don’t think there’s many receivers in the league making that catch. 5-10 of them. The DB made a great play
I don’t get the refusal to compare to Burrow.. Burrow had incredible college stats - so did Stroud Burrow has incredible college receivers - so did stroud Burrow has small hands - stroud has normal hands Burrow has a 4.9 unofficial 40 time - stroud 4.5 unofficial Burrow with 68.8% in college 78 tds and 11 ints - stroud 69.3% with 85 and 12 So basically, other than your personal appraisal of Burrow’s “wiggle” or agility makes him this unattainable comparison for stroud? Because nothing else lines up. again, I have my concerns with stroud, and I’m not comparing him to Brady or Rodgers. But other than what Burrow has done in the NFL, I don’t see why it’s such a crazy comparison yet you can compare Levis to Allen… You have this weird infatuation with, not athleticism, not straight line speed, but “wiggle” which is so far down my list of QB needs I struggle to follow your thought process.
It's also worth noting that if you look back at Joe Burrow when he was at Stroud's current stage of development (meaning post junior year) there wouldn't even be a debate on who was a better prospect. Burrow wasn't even considered a top 5 QB in his own conference prior to his senior season while CJ was a heisman favorite and consensus top 5 pick even prior to his junior year. It's asinine to think Burrow is some unattainable standard when CJ is already leagues ahead of where Burrow was at the same stage.
Stroud doesn’t run a 4.5 lol. Nowhere can you find that as an unofficial. He’s a mid 4.7 guy at the very best but minimal wiggle and burst. That’s where Burrow is a lot better athlete. Burrow also had to prove it in the league. All Ohio St QBs have great numbers. Levis to Allen is a pure physical comparison. Stroud isn’t the same athlete as Burrow. Stroud athleticism is more Brissett/Goff/Tua/Mac/Darnold but with a great arm. Nothing wrong with that. He’s just a lower end athlete in todays game that’s more pocket QB. He can take the yards that are there and extend plays on boot legs.
Um.. if you Google Stroud 40 time, 4.48-4.52 is literally the first thing that comes up because 2 scouts clocked that at his pro day.. so I don’t know about “nowhere can you find that” Even still, 4.7 is better than 4.9 for Burrow. And now you are doubling down on the burst and wiggle which makes Burrow a “lot better athlete” what?? Dude I have concerns on Stroud, but you have moved so far to one side there isn’t even a discussion with you. I call out the wiggle being the only thing, you just randomly say “mid-4.7, and burst/wiggle” and suddenly your argument is valid? And you said Burrow had to prove it in the NFL. AGREED. And so does Stroud. But how does that make the comparison non-existent???? You are making no sense. Saying you don’t think Stroud can be Burrow is one thing, but saying you can’t compare them when literally everything about them coming out of college is the same is asinine and why no one on this board is respecting anything you say. For every ounce of unrealistic fanboyism some of the ppl here project, you are doing the opposite tenfold, which doesn’t make you right either.. so weird.
No, it’s stupid to compare Stroud to a top 2-3 QB in the league. Stroud can not do what Burrow does physically or under pressure. End of story
You are correct. It was Smith-Njigba. I was wrong. Guess that means everything else I said was incorrect as well. Darn.
It’s Smith-Njigba they’re referring to. Stroud 4.75-4.85 on a good day. What you and other fail to understand is top end speed has nothing to do with burst, agility or explosiveness. Stroud is far behind Burrow in those categories. That’s why there are “freaks” that run 4.8s Their 10 yd splits, 3 cone, shuttle, long jump are elite. Thats burst. Mills ran a 4.58 on TV.
No, you’re defending your guy. That’s fine. I’m not knocking him, just saying he’s a pure pocket passer that can run for yards if they’re there. You take that if his arm plays like it should
It’s not comparing him to a top 2-3 QB in the league.. it’s saying that, right out of college, both players were VERY SIMILAR by literally every stat except the buzz words you keep harping on. So while I won’t say “stroud will be a top 2-3 qb in the league” it’s also not crazy to say “why can’t stroud have the same trajectory as Burrow since they are the same coming out of college” it’s like talking to a wall.
Why are you so mad? We aren’t comparing Burrow coming out to Stroud now. Burrow proved he’s the guy. Stroud has a long way to go before he’s in that conversation. They aren’t similar physically. And colleges stats mean nothing, if you want to use them then Bagent, Keenum, Chang and many more should have been all timers. Physical profile is a big factor in success, whether you want to admit it or not. And no, Burrow is not the same coming out as Stroud. Burrow was a sure fire 1st overall no doubter
Nope. Just not going to blame a receiver for not catching that ball. Everyone making excuses for CJ already
Y’all haven’t blocked this guy? Reminds me of a younger Bobbythegreat who had the same stance on Deshaun Watson his rookie year until Deshaun went nuts. We never heard a peep from him after that. The same thing here. This kid has hedged his clutchfans persona on the hometown teams QB being bad. If that doesn’t make you question why you continue to engage then I don’t know what to tell you. There will be no winning. Either CJ will fail and he will say I told you so, or he will be good and then cmoak will disappear….
Lmao, I’ve been around longer than bobby. Have commented more on this forum than you. Have been a Houstonian and Houston fan longer than you. Just because I don’t like Stroud and you crybaby fan boys can’t get over it doesn’t mean I will disappear. I will always respond. Specially to a few of the posters here that have shown their racial bias. And I won’t disappear no matter what. You’re the one that is a bandwagon fan, you said yourself you haven’t watched the last few years. You’re a chump ass fan
Not mad, just frustrated with your 1-dimensional argument. Never once at all have I said “man, stroud is just so much more athletic than burrow” also, more athletic does not ONLY mean burst/wiggle. Not sure why you are soooooo focused on the burst/wiggle for a QUARTERBACK. This isn’t a RB. And no wonder people bring up Brady. It’s not to say Stroud is going to be Brady, it’s to say that athleticism means so little for a QB. except to you. And again it’s not athleticism, it’s “burst/wiggle” If college means nothing, then as soon as Stroud wins his first game I guess he is better than Williams or Maye can ever be and you can’t even compare them until they play in the NFL because he has “proven himself in the NFL” what a weird argument. I never really thought about Burrow vs Stroud but the more you look at the stats, competition, teammates, they are comparable. How can Levis be compared to Allen if he hasn’t played in the NFL yet? also, burrow being the sure fire #1 is because there was literally no one else in one of the weakest drafts to date. The only other QB taken in the first 4 rounds was Jordan love. So no competition for him at QB position, and the only other player in the convo was Chase Young. So basically if it was Will Anderson and Jordan love/Jake Fromm, then yea, Stroud would have been picked #1. Except for your expert analysis which isn’t lining up with anyone who actually follows football. There is not liking a guy, and there is you doing everything possible to shove a player into your narrative.
So me saying Stroud isn’t Burrow physically and to stop comparing him to Brady and Burrow is me hating? And when you and others claim he’s going to be Burrow or Brady? That’s just realistic fanhood? Get over yourself. Stroud was not the same rated prospect as Burrow coming out. He’s not the same athlete, and whether you want to admit it or not, the QB position is reliant on some athleticism to combat pressure. Of course there’s Brady and Mannings that can do it with quick processing and manipulating/reading defenses. Stroud might end up capable but he hasn’t done it at any level. He’s been successful from a sheer talent advantage. It’s really telling you and others are in such a mood because I said a throw was good and not great. The fan boy reactions are sad.
