I love your concept of "protesting". Do it in the least offensive quietest place that makes the least amount of noise. That's how protesting works. You could just say that protesting is wrong. It's a more rational opinion than trying to twist the concept of "protesting" into some polite thing for polite grievances.
Except he’s the governor of the state. It’s expected and proper of him to speak at a tragedy of the state.
I can tell you with absolute certainty that if my child were gunned down in a school or supermarket and Ted Cruz showed up to show his condolences I'd punch him in his mouth. Now, I'd be courteous and tell his forward team ahead of time "You aren't welcome here." Now if my child died in a plane crash and Ted Cruz showed up, I'd shake his hand, accept his remorse and then ignore him. The nature of the way these people in Florida were shot and killed makes Desantis part of the argument, right or wrong. He's part of the argument around gun control, around race in Florida, etc. You don't have to agree he's caused it or anything, but he's in that maelstrom. He's at the center of it in that state. For many of those people he is an avatar for the very thing that murdered their family members.
So would you be fine with MAGA people heckling Biden when he speaks at a national tragedy. Taking your argument then those protesters who show up armed at state houses claiming the election was stolen is fine.
And there's going to be fire when he does sometimes. Now if the family members were asking people to stop protesting, then THEY should have that right. I don't know whether they were involved or not. Showing up to protest as an outside party would be wrong, but if the family/friends of the deceased are leading it or support it, they've "earned" that right.
I honestly can't think of an analogous situation where Biden would be at the center of a debate that involved that tragedy.
. No it isn't fine because their cause is inherently fascist. If your only argument is "if they can heckle, so can our enemy" I say... so what? Is polite protesting going to prevent a MaGA riot? No. Why should I care? The media maga people consume will paint the most mundane BLM protest as a violent riot.
Again I’m not saying that you can’t criticize DeSantis nor is the a matter of rights. It is a matter of decorum and legitimacy. if you find DeSantis, Ted Cruz or any other legitimate elected political leader speaking at a situation where they are expected to speak then don’t attend. It’s perfectly fine with to say I don’t want o hear DeSantis and am not going to attend.
Hey guys if we are really nice to Ron DeSantis and don't heckle him, that will prevent Biden from being heckled.
Isn't this an event for the families of the victims? So the families shouldn't attend their own event so that Desantis gets to look good on tv? It's possible I'm misunderstanding this event entirely.
Yes so because I dint agree with them so it’s not acceptable for them to protest in a way I find offensive but it’s legitimate protest for my side to be offensive. you’re making my point for me how everything is constantly politicized.
Nope. We should act crass and offensive to Ron DeSantis because he's memorializing victims of an ideology he helps spread(white supremacy). That's why. My reasoning is called empathy for people who don't have your privilege to compartmentalize their hatred of the man. Apparently you don't have that empathy. You can't grasp that people more closely affected by this than you have a more difficult time compartmentalizing their grievances.
Yes the cause of a protest is important to me. Some people pretend they are "principled" because they ignore the cause and just examine the tactics. Ironically that's how you get right wingers being cornered into arguments where they have to label Jews in the 1920s fascist because they are "free speech absolutists" who define any form of censorship as fascist so they have to call Jews fascist then because they wanted to censor anti-Semitic literature and propaganda. The cause matters. I get your mindset.."escalation" right? If we heckle, they'll heckle etc. But that isn't reality is it? They will heckle regardless of the actions of their ideological enemies.
My understanding is this was a public event organized by the city of Jacksonville. It would be a very different matter if this a private event organized by the families and DeSantis just decided to show up.
It’s telling that you’re equating empathy with hatred. In other words empathy has to be accepting others hatred.
I think you are confusing empathy with sympathy? Empathy is the practice of understanding another individual's unique experiences and understanding how they came to the actions they do and conclusions they make. It doesn't even mean you agree with them. So here empathy means "understanding someone's hatred". So yes understanding hatred of another person and how it formed is empathy. And it's privelige to tell people who are significantly more closely affected to the issue at hand than you to be "polite" about the issue. But to be clear in also sympathetic to their hatred also. It's a well earned hatred.
A public event to memorialize victims of white supremacy where the speaker is a governor who has been on a campaign to erase history and make white supremacy a more prevalent ideology. So ya, it's very understandable for people in the Florida Black community to hate the ever living **** out of DeSantis and heckle him every time they see him especially when he's a speaker for a memorial for victims of white supremacy.
Many people have criticized Biden's statements regarding US solidiers who died during the withdrawl from Afghanistan including familes of those servicemen. They have blamed Biden for botching it and also for being insensitive in his comments.
