So why can the government do things that are discriminatory ? Do what I say not what I do type of things ... Does this make sense to you? https://www.firstpost.com/world/tec...hiring-immigrants-at-spacex-13040182.html/amp
American companies that work with rockets, spacecraft or similar technology that can be weaponised, need to abide by certain regulations that dictate how and who these companies can hire. One such regulation would be the International Traffic in Arms Regulations or ITAR. Itar imposes constraints on the dissemination of critical information related to launch systems for rockets and missiles that American companies are working on, to foreigners because of national security issues.
NASA’s employment policies NASA, the epitome of America’s space prowess for years, at its peak, categorically refused to hire people of foreign origin, unless they were approved by the FBI, the Secretary of Defense, and in certain cases, even the President. To this day, NASA’s website reflects the same sentiment, although it does not provide too much detail. “Other than extremely rare exceptions, you must be a US citizen to work for NASA as a civil service employee. If you are not a US citizen, you may wish to consider opportunities with one of our International Space Partners” says NASA’s website. SpaceX and NASA working together SpaceX and NASA have similar functions, and in fact, are working together closely on a number of projects. NASA is in fact one of SpaceX’s biggest clients. The two of them have several missions planned together, the most important of which is the Artemis mission to put human beings back into space after decades. The Artemis 3, for example, scheduled for a 2024 launch, will put humans (NASA’s astronauts to be specific) back on the Moon after decades. Although we don’t know the specifics of the contracts signed between NASA and SpaceX, it wouldn’t be too farfetched to assume that there would be at least one clause that states that SpaceX has to take all measures and precautions so that vital and critical technology that is indigenous to the US does not leak out, especially to states that are not allies of the US. Tesla’s Hiring policies Anyone claiming that Elon Musk is a xenophobe and does not want to hire foreigners – whether they are refugees or asylees, needs to touch grass. Tesla employs foreign nationals by the hundreds, and that too in crucial positions. There are several hundreds of Indians working on Tesla’s software, the most vital aspect of their EVs. Tesla’s CFO, Vaibhav Taneja, is just one example of a person of foreign origin, at a key position within the company. @AroundTheWorld
Foreigners are not allowed to work in certain sensitive areas without federal government approval. That's not the case for refugees and asylees, who are considered "US persons". United States of America, Complainant, v. Space Exploration Technologies Corp. d/b/a SpaceX, Respondent. (justice.gov) SPACEX AND EXPORT COMPLIANCE UNDER ITAR AND EAR 25. But export control laws and regulations do not prohibit or restrict employers from hiring asylees and refugees; those laws treat asylees and refugees just like U.S. citizens. 26. Under IT AR and EAR, "U.S. persons" working for U.S. companies can access exportr controlled items without authorization from the U.S. government. A "U.S. person" under ITAR and EAR, includes a U.S. citizen or national, a lawful permanent resident, a refugee, or an asylee. 22 C.F.R. § 120.62; 15 C.F.R. pt. 772. 27. In contrast, a "foreign person"-anyone who is not a "U.S. person" under ITAR and EARmay need authorization from the federal government to access export-controlled items. 22 C.F.R. §§ 120.62 and 120.63; 15 C.F.R. pt. 772. For a "foreign person" employee to access export-controlled items, their employer must apply to the U.S. Department of State or the 5 U.S. Department of Commerce and obtain approval.
Why would an asylee or refugee be treated like a US citizen, but someone who is legally in the US on a visa would not?
didn’t answer my question…NASA states you have to be a US Citizen , this excludes refugees citizenship status “Other than extremely rare exceptions, you must be a US citizen to work for NASA as a civil service employee. If you are not a US citizen, you may wish to consider opportunities with one of our International Space Partners” says NASA’s website.
Federal law provided that protection. Someone here on a visa can certainly work in the US depending on the type of visa. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1324b#a_3 (a) Prohibition of discrimination based on national origin or citizenship status (B) in the case of a protected individual (as defined in paragraph (3)), because of such individual’s citizenship status. (3) “Protected individual” definedAs used in paragraph (1), the term “protected individual” means an individual who— (A) is a citizen or national of the United States, or (B) is an alien who is lawfully admitted for permanent residence, is granted the status of an alien lawfully admitted for temporary residence under section 1160(a) or 1255a(a)(1) of this title, is admitted as a refugee under section 1157 of this title, or is granted asylum under section 1158 of this title; but does not include (i) an alien who fails to apply for naturalization within six months of the date the alien first becomes eligible (by virtue of period of lawful permanent residence) to apply for naturalization or, if later, within six months after November 6, 1986, and (ii) an alien who has applied on a timely basis, but has not been naturalized as a citizen within 2 years after the date of the application, unless the alien can establish that the alien is actively pursuing naturalization, except that time consumed in the Service’s processing the application shall not be counted toward the 2-year period.
If that is the case, someone who has been impacted should file a complaint against NASA. The case against SpaceX started with a discrimination complaint in March of 2020. The article below is approximately three years old. U.S. Justice Department probes SpaceX after hiring discrimination complaint | Reuters Reuters) - The U.S. Department of Justice is probing Elon Musk’s rocket company SpaceX over whether the company discriminates against non-U.S. citizens in its hiring, according to court documents filed on Thursday. The Justice Department’s Immigrant and Employee Rights division received a complaint of employment discrimination from a non-U.S. citizen, who alleged that SpaceX discriminated against him based on his citizenship status. “Specifically, the charge alleges that on or about March 10, 2020, during the Charging Party’s interview for the position of Technology Strategy Associate, SpaceX made inquiries about his citizenship status and ultimately failed to hire him for the position because he is not a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident”, DOJ attorney Lisa Sandoval wrote in the complaint filed on Thursday. The Immigrant and Employee Rights division of the DOJ notified SpaceX by email on June 8 that it had opened an investigation, and requested that SpaceX provide information and documents relating to its hiring process, according to the court filings made on Thursday.
So it’s OK for NASA To conduct discriminatory hiring practices, got it -good to know where you stand , seems odd however
By your robotic copy and paste responses . Now tell me again how you feel about NASA utilizing discriminatory hiring practices Somehow that’s ok but it’s not ok for SpaceX …I thought you leftist wokes were adapt at your feelings but apparently that flies out of the window if it goes against your platform talking points …send me more copy and paste legalities or blink twice if you understand
Go on and sue NASA then since you think it's such a slam dunk case.... We all know you'll just whine and cry on a basketball forum instead of doing anything..... I win, you lose.
Copy and paste what? Everything I have posted in this thread are my original thoughts from my reading of the actual lawsuit, how the case started, and the laws. You, on the other hand, have started with multiple pieces of incorrect information, including: 1- Claiming refugees and asylees are illegal immigrants 2- Claiming Biden is responsible for something that started before his timeframe 3- Believing it is weaponization when this is simply the DoJ receiving a complaint and doing their job to investigate it 4- Now you are assuming NASA is discriminating based on some web post and some wordings. That's not how it works. Perhaps indeed NASA is doing that. Anyone who has been discriminated against by NASA should absolutely bring up the case. If that is still not clear to you, since you have been rambling for days now and don't seem to be educated enough to have good reading comprehension, let me be crystal clear - If NASA has discriminatory hiring practices, they need to be held accountable and to stop the practice. Going back to copy and paste - it also seems to me that you have had no original thoughts but are repeating the thoughts of the blog and other websites you read from.
1. I never said they were illegal immigrants , I said illegals which was unfair to some degree I admit, I guess I had a Biden fumble…2. I don’t mind investigation I made that very clear but you’re pretty dense I noticed, But I do have a problem with the lawsuit considering the nature of the work and how it parallels NASA…3. Yes I believe it is weaponization- the lawsuit is not necessary Considering that Tesla did not have any issues on hiring refugees and obviously they were trying to be careful as it relates to SpaceX And the nature of the company involving the security concerns -I think that is an issue 4. It’s not based on some Web post when it’s direct… try again…
“Based on some web post”…”perhaps” sounds like you need a copy and paste lesson tbh https://www.nasa.gov/feature/frequently-asked-questions-0/#:~:text=Yes, you must be a,for the Astronaut Candidate Program. Do you have to be a U.S. citizen to apply for the Astronaut Candidate Program? Yes, you must be a U.S. citizen to apply for the program through NASA
Dude, all the woke people do is hate on America and successful companies They'd rather have SpaceX fail and cheer China for having Jeremy Lin in their league
More weaponization. SpaceX illegally fired workers critical of Elon Musk, US labor agency says | Reuters SpaceX accused of illegally firing employees who criticized Elon Musk - The Verge SpaceX is facing a complaint from the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) that alleges the company illegally fired employees for writing an open letter that criticized CEO Elon Musk. Last year, a group of SpaceX employees drafted an open letter to express concerns about how Musk’s behavior “is a frequent source of distraction and embarrassment.” At the time, Musk was in the process of trying to acquire Twitter, which he later renamed X after taking control of the company. SpaceX subsequently fired the employees who helped write the letter. In the complaint filed on Wednesday, the NLRB accuses SpaceX of interrogating workers about their involvement with the letter and told employees not to discuss these interviews. NLRB spokesperson Kayla Blado told Reuters that SpaceX violated the federal right of workers to collectively push for better conditions. The labor agency claims SpaceX “created an impression of surveillance” by reading and showing screenshots of messages between employees, adding that the company attempted to prevent employees from handing out the open letter. SpaceX also allegedly “invited employees to quit and threatened discharge” if they participated in organized activities. The NLRB is asking SpaceX to post a notice about employee rights for 120 days and wants the company to write letters of apology to each of the employees it fired, among other things. A hearing with an NLRB administrative law judge (ALJ) is scheduled for March 5th, 2024, provided that SpaceX doesn’t try to settle the charges. Whatever decision the judge makes can be appealed to the board and taken to the federal appeals court.
