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Why doesn't Morey get the same criticism Stone did?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rocketchamp, Aug 26, 2023.

  1. ApacheWarrior

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    OP still trying to prop up Stone as if he is GM material

    I thinkith you protestith too much.....Stone burner account confirmed.

    Gently removeith your tongue from his/Uranis
     
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    I have absolutely no issue with his comments on China
    Coddling Harden and trading Chris Paul are the only issues I have with him
    Best of luck to you on your thread
     
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  3. BallSoHarden

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    A GM is evaluated based on what they are given vs. how they handle it, For Philly they turned Ben Simmons into Harden, and they likely should get more of a return for Harden than Ben Simmons. Worst case they lose him for nothing, and letting Ben Simmons walk would not have been a huge deal given his negative value contract. If Embiid wants out, I don't think there was a whole lot any other GM could have done to help them. Embiid gets injured often, and last year he went down at the worst time. Overall, he's handled the Harden situation poorly, but it won't cost the team a whole lot than it would have otherwise. What Morey took over, there was not a whole lot he could do, bringing in Harden was swinging for the fenses, but what were the true alternatives that would have kept Embiid happy? You cant trade Simmons for draft assets or young undeveloped guys because they have a small window to win.

    A lot of Philly's issues were inherited, when you have a fake MVP built of glass that you are forced to build around.
     
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  4. kjayp

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    its one thing to coddle an MVP... i may not agree with it - but i understand it...

    its quite another to coddle the likes of kpj...

    jus sayin...

    fwiw...
    i give morey and stone the same grief on Bosh vs Lopez... lol

    morey went overboard on enabling Harden...

    jury is still out on Stone...
     
  5. rocketchamp

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    Jalen
    Jabari
    Amen
    Sengun

    Ime Udoka


    This is your core after 3 years of rebuilding. That's not good GM work?
     
  6. daywalker02

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    Both are awkward but Morey to me is a calmer speaker.
     
  7. rocketchamp

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    Which is exactly my point lol. Stone took over a even BIGGER mess (ironically created by Morey & Harden) and turned it into a nice rebuild after 3 years. Morey CHOSE to bring Harden over to Philly after he quit on Brooklyn, Harden’s Morey's creation so he deserves ALL the blame for his diva behavior. Yet Stone’s somehow not GM material? I wonder why ppl don't say that about Daryl
     
  8. napalm06

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    Are you asking why aren't CFs whining about Morey and Stone equally? Or why aren't 6ers fans whining about Morey as much as CFs are about Stone?

    You guys who feel a strong compulsion to defend Fertitta or Stone need to at least wait until the Rockets make a WCF. Otherwise it's gonna fall on deaf ears.
     
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    Are you familiar with a front office position known as "owner"? Why do you think Morey, Harden, Dantoni, Paul left the franchise?

    (Hint, it's well documented that this "owner" had a direct hand in all four departures. He publicly slandered two of them (Paul and Dantoni) and Morey and Harden left because of the inevitable implosion. Not Stone's fault at all - but yet also not Morey's.)

    PS: i think we need to have a winning season before we officially use "nice rebuild" as a debate point.
     
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  10. daywalker02

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    You do not understand context.

    Morey was not given total free hand by Fertitta while Fertitta has given in total rebuild under Stone.

    Now yes Philly has given Morey total free hand.

    I am no fan of both GMs.
     
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    Morey is a douchey nerd and Stone is an ignorant lawyer.
     
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    He's always been on the list of overrated by fans Houston sports people to me.
     
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    also...
    Murray has built a contender...
    Stone has not...
    Once Stone has shown a certain level of competence - he may then get 'the benefit of a doubt - or two...' - but he has not reached that level yet.
     
  14. daywalker02

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    Stone might be even two months older than Morey or being the same age.

    He is the tanking GM and will be known for that.

    The future belongs to a younger GM with more vision.
     
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    List of Houston GMs who have put two teams in conference finals:
    • Ray Patterson (Rockets, 1977, 1981, 1986)
    • Jeff Luhnow (Astros, 2017, 2018, 2019)
    • James Click* (Astros, 2020, 2021, 2022) (*inherited team from Jeff Luhnow)
    • Don Suman (Oilers, 1960, 1961)
    • Bum Phillips (Oilers, 1978, 1979)
    • Daryl Morey (Rockets, 2009, 2018)
    • Bob Weinhauer* (Rockets, 1995, 1997) (*inherited 1995 team from Steve Patterson)

    GMs who did not do that:
    • Everyone else

    Rockets GM with 2nd highest win %:
    • Darryl Morey
    Rockets GM with 2nd lowest win %:
    • Rafael Stone
     
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    I may not remember correctly. Bum Phillips was the head coach, not the GM. Or was he both? Anyhow, the rivalry with the Stealers in those days was fun.
     
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    If you remember anything, you remember better than I do (born in 80s.) :cool: I was going off of reference sites.
     
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    Morey was given free reign by Lex Alexander, the owner when we got Harden. You don't understand the context my friend
     
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    Morey was given free reign by Lex Alexander, the owner when we got Harden. You don't understand the context my friend
     
  20. bmelo

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    Never liked Morey. Lucked out with Harden
     
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