Imagine getting sued by the administration for following the rules made by the government such as you know not hiring illegals ...Elon should counter sue for Joe for a trillion dollars meanwhile the trash fraudulent lawsuit is nonsense https://victorygirlsblog.com/doj-to-spacex-hire-illegal-immigrants-or-else/
So WHY would a company want to hire someone they can’t track or verify their background? Especially one that has multiple government contracts? Security clearances mean getting info on that person AND family/friends going back several years. Yet this lawsuit from the DOJ infers that that none of that matters. ...Makes zero sense to be honest , Refugees also are required to get a green card in one year and yes they can get work as part of the process but it may not be SpaceX considering the qualifications
Except that, with ITAR, a company has to be extremely careful and THOROUGHLY vet whom they hire. Whether it’s the janitor, cook, or engineer, SpaceX needs to have their employees thoroughly vetted. They need to pass all the security clearances and then some in order to ensure national security is adhered to. Yet, what we’ve been seeing because of our porous borders and the incredibly lax immigration policies, is anyone is coming through. Why would ANY company want to hire someone based upon their say so? For a company like SpaceX, they can’t afford to cross that line.
Federal law prohibits discrimination based on legal immigration status, which SpaceX allegedly did by excluding legal immigrants (asylees and refugees). Also note that the investigation into SpaceX for discriminatory hiring practices started in May 2020, during the Trump administration. If you buy that this is a weaponization of the DoJ, then you’re claiming the Trump DoJ weaponized the DoJ to go after Musk. This information can be found in the 13 pages (within the first two pages in fact) of the DoJ lawsuit.
Investigation and looking into is one thing I get that the DOJ should do that in every case and that's not weaponization to go through a lawsuit is just one step ahead that to me is on another level plus this isn't McDonald's. This is SpaceX where you have to consider background and verification- there's a lot there's a lot of steak at stake with this type of at stake with this type of thing involving the nature of the business and company
I didn't say SpaceX wasn't ITAR compliant. I stated Starlink, specifically their ground terminal (since you insist on getting specific with 'gotchas') is not ITAR compliant. I will concede and state I am not an ITAR attorney and I am no more of an authority on this subject than anyone else in this forum. The US and Ukraine can 'deem it so' for military use, which is obvious. I don't know the larger implications for international laws and treaties. If its a poor business decision, SpaceX is not sworn by oath to support whatever party is in power. Parties and politicians are not the country, contrary to this growing belief from both sides. I dont understand why people worship their parties. In the end, it doesn't matter. If a company doesn't want their products to be used to kill people, that is their right. This administration is playing some really stupid political games.
You have been rambling a bit in the last few posts so I don't quite get your point. You seem to be saying that SpaceX should be allowed to break the law because of XYZ. That's dangerous. No company is above the law. SpaceX doesn't get to break the law because of its importance or significance.
My issue with this whole topic is the general disregard to the threat at hand. People like yourself should remove your emotions about Musk and respect what is happening at SpaceX. This isn't electric cars and robots or the latest gadgetry. We are in a race with China to research, commercialize and weaponize space/moon at a large scale. China is aiming for the capability to lift 100 tons to orbit by the end of the decade and Starship is aiming for 150 - 250 tons. This is like England, France and Spain all trying to colonize America. If one of those countries could send 10x the people and supplies at 5x the rate, this would be a very different country. So ya, if SpaceX wants to be picky about the people they hire, I completely understand. Protecting this asset from espionage is more important than some feel good laws on the book. If you think your moral authority is more important, then the government should grant them a waiver.
You stated, "People like yourself should remove your emotions about Musk and respect what is happening at SpaceX." Please point out where I have expressed emotion in this thread. I will wait. You also appear to be implying that SpaceX should be allowed to break the law due to XYZ (significance, importance). SpaceX can hire whoever they deem qualified, as long as they do not illegally discriminate based on protected characteristics like legal immigration status. The DoJ alleged that SpaceX excluded legal immigrants and thus broke the law. They would be breaking the law if they excluded or discriminated against individuals solely due to immigration status.
If Musk was a liberal patsy, this topic wouldn't exist. This is my opinion. Nothing to prove or debate here. We have homeless people shooting up on the streets, leaving their infectious needles on the sidewalks all while certain parties are busy providing them with new needles (These people should be in jail, per your logic). Illegals are pouring across the border and there is a segment of this country that is protecting them. However people seem to stand on their moral high ground and declare "This is the right thing to do. Its best we ignore the law". And here we are. Picking and choosing which moral high ground should be supported because people like yourself let your political gods dictate what is right and what is wrong. I did not state or imply SpaceX has a right to break laws. What I did state is if your moral compass is so high and mighty, we should grant a waiver or just change the stupid law altogether.
You did not provide any examples showing that I was being emotional. If you review all my posts in this thread, you will see I have been very matter-of-fact, without expressing any emotion. You went on about a "moral high ground" in your paragraph. Legality is simply about laws, not claiming a moral high ground. The fact that you inserted talk of a "moral high ground" into what is a straightforward legal case makes me think you are being emotional about this case.
You did not provide any examples showing that I was being emotional. If you review all my posts in this thread, you will see I have been very matter-of-fact, without expressing any emotion. You went on about a "moral high ground" in your paragraph. Legality is simply about laws, not claiming a moral high ground. The fact that you inserted talk of a "moral high ground" into what is a straightforward legal case makes me think you are being emotional about this case. You clarified that SpaceX should not have a right to break the law. We are in agreement there.
SpaceX can hire who they feel is more qualified- sorry but a refugee by definition should be working on a green card by their own status definition - non verified credentials really should be getting a job and once you build up established paper trails then yes apply at more sensitive companies that have security concerns- it's not hard to figure out - you may continue sputtering nonsense however -
I know the OP is from Germany and is not a US Citizen so probably doesn't understand that the DOJ is an independent department - the only time it has been politicized was under Trump. Which was when this investigation began, BTW (Facts matter). Biden doesn't guide them, or tell them whom to investigate or not, they just follow the law. Now, I know that is scary for the GOP supporters as they are breaking so many of them, but they can stop breaking the law any time they like. Don't break the law, no problems for you....pretty simple. ATW, that is how the US justice system works, I know you live here but as someone that is not a citizen, I have to assume you didn't know which allowed you to post this nonsense thread. Bless your heart. DD
No need to be sorry about your position. But that's not the law. Federal law prohibits discrimination based on legal immigration status. What have I stated that is nonsense? I would like to remind you that you incorrectly thought asylees and refugees are illegal immigrants and that Biden was responsible for something that originated under the Trump administration.
This would potentially have some validity - except this started under the Trump administration. I do fear both parties weaponizing the DOJ, we have seen an increasing in Presidential powers going back to GWB and no administration since then has taken a step back … so the politicization of the DOJ and lawsuits and impeachments are a concern. President Trump has been impeached multiple times and now the Republicans want to impeach Biden…. However in this case it falls flat because of the timing starting the investigation.
And what about your emotions towards Musk? You don’t think you are too much of a fanboy to objective?
Nah breh let’s hire foreign agents woke people hate America Will India sue their space agency for not hiring Pakistanis or Iranian citizens ?
