What will it take to make you seriously consider an EV?

I've brought up China before as a competitor. Telsa had to slash prices again in China to compete. I wonder how long until China moves up the chain and starts making their own luxury EVs?

Musk certainly has a very cozy relationship with our biggest geopolitical adversary, signing that socialist pact..... seems like more people domestically are seeing him in a different light.

 

A good businessman would be stupid to shun a market because a bunch of stupid politicians can't get along. And even more ignorant for a person to have a partisan view on something that has zero impact on them.

 

Not sure a good businessman would want to get involved with a country that has stolen significant US corporate tech and IP and has been gearing up to invade their neighbor in a war of conquest. Not to mention, a country that has no problem using massive state resources and rules to advance an industry. China will soon be the largest producer the cars, coincidentally.

I'm not naïve about China and their intentions.

 

Musk out innovates. China doesn't know how to innovate anything. All they do is steal tech. Innovation breeds winners, not losers who sit on patents.

 

Tesla is only around because of all those government subsidies.

 

These are probably sardine cans with wheels that happen to be powered by a battery, but it's a start. Stellantis already starting in the hole with that range. lol. I wouldn't buy a Stellantis anyway, but that's tragic :

Stellantis to enter affordable EV segment with sub-$27,000 model next year

Kia EV5 will start much cheaper than expected, undercutting Tesla’s Model Y in China

 

My PHEV is in the shop because some teenager ran a red light and I hit her.

My rental is a Jeep Compass. It's such a POS. Poor acceleration, such a loud engine, gear shifts are jerky. I miss my PHEV. Never gonna buy another ICE car.

Also, the auto stop start system is so stupidly implemented. Getting blasted by hot air when the cabin is 120 degrees feels so great.

 

The US has 27% tariffs on Chinese cars. It doesn't matter how efficient they are at making EVs. They aren't coming here. For reference, Japanese imports only have a 2.5% tariff.

 

To be fair anything Jeep makes is a POS.
ICE is not the issue here.

I have grinning cheek to cheek driving my ICE car through the Colorado mountains this week.
Minutes spent worrying about the next charge: 0.

 

True that jeeps are trash. But those issues I listed are inherent ICE problems.

 

Once I'm assured it doesn't have "Elon Mode"

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-...as-auto-safety-regulators-extremely-concerned

 

That's not true, you can buy a Jeep for 40K and put another 25K of "offroady s**t" on it, and then haul it on a trailer to the "outdoors offroad park" up here where you drive it for 10 hours over 2 days and then haul it back to Austin on said trailer. But just in case it rains...it's got a snorkel

 

It’s part of the basic white people starter pack.

 

If a Chinese car company sets up factory in Mexico, will that sidestep the tariff?

I know that it wouldn't qualify for IRA tax rebate, but I am not so sure about the tariff.

 

Tesla launches new Model 3 'Highland'. Officially announced in China and EU so far.
https://mashable.com/article/tesla-model-3

Overall seems like a nice upgrade. Will have to see how the MSRP changes.

Upgrades
- Ventilated front seats
- Slightly better efficiency (~8%)
- Better NVH
- New tires (Hankook ION)
- Rear infotainment
- Better speakers

Side/Downgrades
- No more turn signal stalk. It's two button on the steering wheel now.

Starting prices went up about 10% in China but stayed the same in Germany.

Everything looks good except for removing turn signal stalk. I've never driven a Model S so I don't know how well the button turn signals work, but it seems like such a bad idea. How much money is Telsa really saving by removing the turn signal stalk? Is it just doing it for the sake of looking 'minimalist' at the expense of function?

 

In order to avoid the tariffs, you have to both manufacture in a NAFTA country and source 75% of the components making up the car from NAFTA countries. It isnt sufficient to just manufacture in a NAFTA country. You actually have to use NAFTA sourced parts (and by extension a NAFTA supply chain).

China's cost of manufacturing derives from local subsidies that lower the cost of EV components and raw materials that make up their vehicles. But to avoid the tariff, they'd need to source from NAFTA countries. The US does offer some strong EV subsidies via the IRA but raw material cost in NAFTA countries is quite a bit higher than China. There are also a lot of other hidden subsidies in China that don't exist here. And I think US consumers probably wouldn't be open to Chinese vehicles. Plus when you want to start selling in the US, generally you start by importing cars and absorbing the tariff cost while you build out factories and supply chains in the NAFTA area. But China doesn't have this option because the tariffs are simply too high to absorb.

Chinese vehicles have shown up in the EU because their tariffs are quite a bit lower and their subsidies apply to imported vehicles. But I really don't think we'll ever see Chinese vehicles in the US.

 

I think I want the Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo Turbo S now.

 

Too many words, have you considered just buying a horse carriage instead?

I've got my eyes on this drop-top coupe sitting on 50 inch blades, it's got carbon neutral bio degradable horse power too.

 

not an EV though, wrong thread

 

Considering all animals function off of electrical impulses, I'm not so sure it isn't an EV or that I'm in the wrong thread

@B-Bob settle this