Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade, eliminating constitutional right to abortion

Luckily it appears that Issue 1 has lost and the currently rules remain in place.

I’m sure the Ohio GOP will come up with something else to subvert the will of their voters before November.

 

Small government wins!

 

Yeah. The OH Legislature has a track record of not giving up even when Ohioans voted massively to end gerrymandering they still did it and thumbed their noses at their own Supreme Court. If the Constituational Amendment passes in November I wouldn't put it beyond the OH Legislature to just ignore it.

 

It’s a good thing that it failed. It’s worse than simply requiring 60%. Not only does it enable voter disenfranchisement by eliminating the 10-day cure period, but it probably also prevents any citizen-initiated amendment with the 100% county signature requirement. Basically, it’s a step to take more power away from the people and place more of the power in the party in power – another step away from democracy.


What would Issue 1 have done?
Issue 1, if passed, would have required a 60% of the vote to enact new constitutional amendments instead of a simple majority. It also would have:

• Required citizens who want to place an amendment on the ballot to collect signatures from at least 5% of voters from the last gubernatorial election in all 88 counties, instead of the current 44.
• Eliminated a 10-day cure period that allows citizens to replace any signatures deemed faulty by the secretary of state's office.

 

Good for Ohio, makes me think the country isn't ALL under the spell of the cult

 

LOL... and the losing side blames it on "radical left" when it lost 57% to 43%.

 

The seven-months-pregnant officer reported contraction-like pains at work, but said she wasn’t allowed to leave for hours. The anti-abortion state is fighting her lawsuit, in part by saying her fetus didn’t clearly have rights.

A prison guard says she was forced to stay at her post during labor pains. Texas is fighting compensation for her stillbirth.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/0...-buttons&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

 

1 in 3 Americans are surprised that 2 in 3 Americans will not STFU and take their well deserved beating. The gays and contraception are next, followed closely by stopping socialist programs. Social Security (Ds are not hiding the fact; they put it in the name) and Medicare. The Rs wanted Covid to kill Grandma bad, real bad ... for those surviving Grandmas they plan on just starving them out.

 

Democrats need to formulate a plan to get abortion rights ballot initiatives on every possible purple state in 2024. It's great that they are doing it this year in Ohio, but it would have likely guaranteed Sherrod Brown's re-election if done next November in what will otherwise be a really difficult race. Besides the 2024 Presidency, Dems should also target years where they have key governor and senate races.

 

Every Senate race will be a referendum on abortion. It is the Senators who have a final say on USSC judges.

 

The Robert's Court enabled child abuse.

She Wasn't Able to Get an Abortion. Now She's a Mom. Soon She'll Start 7th Grade.
She Just Had a Baby. Soon She'll Start 7th Grade. | Time

Ashley just had a baby. She’s sitting on the couch in a relative’s apartment in Clarksdale, Miss., wearing camo-print leggings and fiddling with the plastic hospital bracelets still on her wrists. It’s August and pushing 90 degrees, which means the brown patterned curtains are drawn, the air conditioner is on high, and the room feels like a hiding place. Peanut, the baby boy she delivered two days earlier, is asleep in a car seat at her feet, dressed in a little blue outfit. Ashley is surrounded by family, but nobody is smiling. One relative silently eats lunch in the kitchen, her two siblings stare glumly at their phones, and her mother, Regina, watches from across the room. Ashley was discharged from the hospital only hours ago, but there are no baby presents or toys in the room, no visible diapers or ointments or bottles. Almost nobody knows that Peanut exists, because almost nobody knew that Ashley was pregnant. She is 13 years old. Soon she’ll start seventh grade.

In the fall of 2022, Ashley was raped by a stranger in the yard outside her home, her mother says. For weeks, she didn’t tell anybody what happened, not even her mom. But Regina knew something was wrong. Ashley used to love going outside to make dances for her TikTok, but suddenly she refused to leave her bedroom. When she turned 13 that November, she wasn't in the mood to celebrate. “She just said, ‘It hurts,’” Regina remembers. “She was crying in her room. I asked her what was wrong, and she said she didn’t want to tell me.” (To protect the privacy of a juvenile rape survivor, TIME is using pseudonyms to refer to Ashley and Regina; Peanut is the baby’s nickname.)

She ordered an ultrasound, and determined Ashley was 10 or 11 weeks along. “It was surreal for her,” Balthrop recalls. "She just had no clue.” The doctor could not get Ashley to answer any questions, or to speak at all. “She would not open her mouth.” (Balthrop spoke about her patient's medical history with Regina's permission.)

At their second visit, about a week later, Regina tentatively asked Balthrop if there was any way to terminate Ashley’s pregnancy. Seven months earlier, Balthrop could have directed Ashley to abortion clinics in Memphis, 90 minutes north, or in Jackson, Miss., two and a half hours south. But today, Ashley lives in the heart of abortion-ban America. In 2018, Republican lawmakers in Mississippi enacted a ban on most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The law was blocked by a federal judge, who ruled that it violated the abortion protections guaranteed by Roe v. Wade. The Supreme Court felt differently. In their June 2022 decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, the Supreme Court overturned the constitutional right to abortion that had existed for nearly half a century. Within weeks, Mississippi and every state that borders it banned abortion in almost all circumstances.

Balthrop told Regina that the closest abortion provider for Ashley would be in Chicago. At first, Regina thought she and Ashley could drive there. But it’s a nine-hour trip, and Regina would have to take off work. She’d have to pay for gas, food, and a place to stay for a couple of nights, not to mention the cost of the abortion itself. “I don’t have the funds for all this,” she says.

So Ashley did what girls with no other options do: she did nothing.

 

Why didn’t Mississippi outlaw rape like Greg Abbot did in Texas?

Sad story for sure, but what you would need to do as a Republican to avoid scrutiny is to focus on the rapist. Perhaps he should have been in jail but some liberal judge let him off easy. Maybe Biden allowed him to enter the country illegally? If there’s nothing compelling there, bring up Hunter Biden or a scary trans story.

 

hey Siri, find me some horrific outlier to justify wholesale slaughter of the unborn

 

Robert’s Court threw away decades of precedent and bowed to extreme personal religious interpretation to enable child abuse.

 

Or hey "let me troll twitter and find some outlier about how horrible trans people or Leftists are."

 

To address this seriously I do believe that situations like this are rare but I have no reason to doubt this story is real. I too believe we need to be careful about making policy based on outliers but a story like this shows why a blanket policy is bad.

 

Yes, a 13-year-old rape victim who is too poor to travel ~800 miles away to seek an abortion is somewhat of an outlier, and we hope cases like this continue to be rare. But denying her access to abortion is child abuse. Our society simply does not tolerate child abuse. We have taken children away or even imprisoned parents if they refuse medical services that could seriously impact a child.

Just as importantly, medical "outliers" are fairly common and nowhere close to being true outliers. Pregnancy is dangerous. It kills almost 1,000 women per year in the US, and about 50,000 women per year nearly die due to severe complications (see CDC data). The same blanket bans that resulted in child abuse in this case also unnecessarily put thousands of women's lives at risk each year.

 

I agree and that is why I said blanket policy is a bad idea.

Perhaps I am naive or just tired of the constantly talking past each other on this issue. I think even many "pro-life" people would recognize how tragic a situation like this is which is why many support a rape and incest exception. This is where I think most of the country is at that while many would disagree with abortion on demand at any point in a pregnancy at the same time oppose draconian policies with little to no exceptions.

 

Hey Siri, find me some horrific outlier I can completely ignore the real-world consequences of.

 

The so-called "exceptions" in anti-abortion laws are ineffective. Even in states with exceptions for the life of the mother, the requirements are so convoluted that doctors cannot act until the woman is actively in danger. This essentially amounts to a ban.

Take Texas for example. Doctors, for fear of imprisonment, must wait until a woman is facing actual life-threatening complications before intervening, turning what should be preventative care into emergency rescues.

Many anti-abortion activists refuse to acknowledge this dangerous reality. But words will not change minds. Personal experiences will. When even staunch anti-abortionists see their loved ones negatively impacted by these draconian laws, the facade of "pro-life" rhetoric will crumble.

But really, whatever. Talk is not going to move this issue. Reality will. The priority now should be restoring the right to abortion, especially since almost half of Republicans want the right to abortion at the state level. For over half a century, the Right has been focused on banning abortion, instead of pursuing effective and humane policies to reduce abortions. But some of those policies, like easy access to contraception, comprehensive sex education, universal healthcare, services for the poor, also contradict many pro-lifers positions.