Robert F. Kennedy Jr. launches unlikely presidential bid as a Democrat

like how cannabis is illegal federally yet several states have it legal recreationally for personal freedom/rights?

 

Ya that's not a optimal situation is it? It's definitely not a Democrat position today.

 

when do you think abortions should not be performed? what's the official "democrat" position on that since you're their spokesperson. should they be allowed the entire pregnancy (if no health issues obviously)

personally if you're aborting after the first trimester for non-health reasons, knowing/seeing all you have with your baby up to that point, then you are literally sick in the head and need counseling. these are the babies that end of in dumpsters after birth, so what's a better way to tackle the social issue of mother's doing that? just aborting after 15+ weeks into preg? I'm leaning towards building a better support and financial system but that's me

 

I do believe that RFK Jr. is dangerous...............

He has made a number of false claims -

Such as the idea that Jews and Chinese are less likely to get COVID;

That COVID was made to target black and white people;

Claiming that we had almost no mass shootings before Prozac;

Claims that the 2004 Election was stolen from Al Gore - when there is no credible evidence of this;

The CIA was involved in killing JFK Jr.;

That it is possible the wrong person was convicted for killing RFK Jr.;

That now Democrats get more money from big Pharma than Republicans;

Vaccines can cause autism;

He connected gender dysmorphia to chemicals in the water source;

WIFI causes cancer;

AIDS may not be caused by HIV.

These are just the ones that I am aware of - there may or may not be more.... but these are dangerous positions, and the vast majority he has provided no evidence to substantiate.


As for abortion - I am a child and I am pro-choice. Further, women are the carriers of children - and they are more pro-choice than men or the general population. Cutting off abortion at 3 months is a mistake IMO. There are women who do not even know they are pregnant at 3 months, and a child is not viable outside the womb at 3 months. A fetus weighs 1 ounce at 3 months.

If RFK Jr. misspoke, when he agreed to 3 months or even 21 weeks - then he doesn't know enough about the subject matter, he should know when viability begins if he wants to run for the Presidency and take a position on when abortion should or should not be cut off.

As for what black people or black churches believe - I am not black, so I cannot speak for black people. I do agree with you that the Democrats have strayed too far to the left on certain issues - and that wealthy white people have largely lead this - and they assume that all minorities agree with the current platform of the party - when they do not. That is also not a surprise as we are seeing both parties change in front of our eyes.

Having said all of that - I cannot personally support someone that has so many opinions that are not rooted in science or evidence.

 

Not a false claim. Literally several studies done on this that show they're less susceptible than other groups. doesn't mean they are immune. it is like some races being more vulnerable to skin cancers or diabetes. we aren't all the same

I'm going to chalk this one up to a misspeak when taken in totality.

Prozac and drugs like it absolutely suck. eat better, work on your body, and set goals for yourself and you'll be out of whatever depressive state you're in. no need more mind altering drugs with several negative side effects. you will never see me defend that garbage. I firmly believe antidepressants have contributed to a rise in suicides, particularly by gun. we pushed the "feel good drugs" over improving yourself instead.

There might not be, but we know why he did it. 2000 could have been stolen via Florida. Gore may have won the state but Bush's bro pulled some strings that put W ahead

about his Uncle, you're talking about a guy who was around all of that at the time, and a US government/CIA that STILL TO THIS DAY refuses to release all documents associated with it. let's see, a president that wanted to dismantle several govt institutions getting too large was assassinated by said institutions that used one of their operatives to push it along. this operative was then killed by a "club owner" just as he was telling everyone what actually happened. knowing everything we know about the US government, I'm not taking their word for it.

for the longest time, the US government told me MLK Jr died from a gunshot wound until later we find out the King family won a lawsuit against the Feds because MLK Jr actually died at the hospital after being suffocated with a pillow.

then he gave accurate accounts that are all verifiable about his Dad's death. we're acting like RFK Jr was like you, me, and everyone on this thread with those things, being far removed and no where near the source of action. But he was very near it all.

They both gets hundreds of millions if not billions to push Big Pharma's message. who gives a damn who gets more? they're both bought. he has also said that the US and NZ are the only two countries that can advertise big pharma on television. Is that true?

although there has been a lot of suppresion about this information for very obvious reasons (big pharma gotta make money), the info is still out there for you to see. unvaccinated kids vs vaccinated kids, especially if we're talking immigrants where one part of the family was vaxxed and the other isn't), show many positives for the unvaxxed kids. what the vaxxed kids were helped by, was against the disease they were vaxxed for (say measles) but become more vulnerable to other diseases. several credible studies out there about this. Idk why vaccines are seen as untouchable and unfixable and they can't be debated when we literally just saw tylenol get pulled from the store for causing autism, yet somehow the same manufacturer doesn't make a mistake with vaccines.

He was talking about the frog study, which is absolutely true: https://www.newsweek.com/female-frogs-estrogen-hermaphrodites-suburban-waste-369553

Radiation is radiation. dont look to close at a microwave on because it can blind you, etc. Idk if it causes cancer but probably not the best to sleep in the room with your Wifi Modem or sleep with your phone next to your head.

I don't see where he said that. I do see where he said the use of poppers caused Kaposi sarcoma (cancer) which will weaken the immune system leaving you more open to catching AIDS

Why are they dangerous? because they aren't the approved narrative? because it paints some government entities in a bad light? because it makes some big billion dollar companies look like evil groups who treat citizens as test subjects? because it follows the general rule of science which is to question? because he wants more research done and studies published openly without redactions?

you are talking about a "cryptic pregnancy" which is very rare for a women. an outlier example should not make a standard. the female body does things when it becomes pregnant that is hard to miss for women.

democrats and republicans have strayed so far. then the media keeps trying to keep the population thinking what they want everyone to think. this is why podcasts are so popular now because generally folks are tired of the news.

it's funny when people say they can't support RFK for "x-reasons" (but they can support a president who wants to drop bombs killing civilians, and then in the same breath say it is impossible for that person to sanction a murder of someone they don't like...when they just killed thousands with a drone strike, but I digress).

RFK Jr is not someone to me that is ill-intentioned or wants the worse for people. he's not someone who I think wants you to think how he things. he is simply saying you have a choice, do what you want with your body, the government should not be as secretive, there needs to be more studies done on medicines/drugs, etc. none of that is wrong but in today's post-pandemic era it is deemed as "dangerous".

 

RFK Jr. is a modern-day grifter who knows what he's doing and doesn't care how many people he harms. I hate him for harming children to make money. I don't need to know anything else about him.

 

As somebody that uses anti-depressants after years of suffering depression and regularly having suicidal thoughts,

**** you

 

There are as many studies that state that Jews are actually more likely to get COVID than the general population and there is even a study that concluded that the Amish are the group least likely to die from COVID.

There is no general consensus on this point, and there is no relevance in him saying it - other than to open up the possibility that COVID was biologically engineered to target particular races - which is exactly what he did later in that same conversation.

Do I think that he is racist or trying to start a race war? No, but I think the he is very irresponsible with what he says and in the context of how he says it.

This isn't the first time he has said something outlandish and irresponsible -


In January 2022, Kennedy implied that Anne Frank, the Jewish teenager who hid from the Nazis and eventually died in a concentration camp, had more freedom than people living under vaccine mandates.

Okay, we will give him a Mulligan.

The idea that eating better, working on your body and setting goals will eliminate clinical depression is DANGEROUS and honestly, incredibly ignorant.

There is no evidence of this -

He was 12 years old when his father was killed and he was only 9 years old when his uncle was killed. There is not a single other family member that believes that JFK or RFK were murdered by the CIA or someone other than Sirhan-Sirhan.

You don't have to believe that everything in the two major investigative reports are accurate - we know that they even conflict on some points. What we don't have is any evidence that RFK or JFK met their demise other than what has been presented. Saying "I don't know" is different that claiming they were killed absent any evidence - which is a disturbing pattern with RFK Jr.

This is 100% false.

There was no lawsuit at all that showed MLK was suffocated by a pillow.

 

He was very near it? He was 9 yrs old and 12 yrs old when they died - and what about all the other Kennedy members that were older and even more involved and near it and do not support the opinion of RFK Jr. on this issue?

Who gives a damn? Apparently RFK Jr. does - he made the claim, and it is false. He doesn't need to be making false claims.

As far as drug advertising - that is a different issue, and one most people agree needs to be addressed - but it is important to be truthful and accurate when you address the issues.

There has not been a single credible report that connects vaccinations to autism.

NONE - ZERO.

What we do know if that if everyone stops getting vaccinated and gets measles, mumps and polio - that many people will die.

It is estimated that 4 million people a year are saved by being vaccinated.

There is no real valid debate on this topic at this point.

The frog study has nothing to do with gender dysmorphia. Read the study, it is talking about an unusual amount of female frogs being born.

First we are not frogs, and we are far removed from frogs evolutionary -but second, gender is a social construct and sex is a scientific construct.

WIFI does not cause cancer period.

There is not a single credible study that has found otherwise.

Why are they dangerous? Because they are FALSE, they lack any scientific base and lack any credible evidence. It is very dangerous for someone running for President to support and spout crack pot theories that lack any evidence.

They are not that rare - about 1:400 women do not know they are pregnant at 5 months - the number is even lower for women that are at 3 months.

Further, that isn't even the point.

Podcasts are a form of entertainment for a lot of people - unfortunately some people rely on Joe Rogan and others for actual news.

Those are two separate issues - and if your position is "yeah RFK is wrong and ill-informed on a lot of topics, but his position on war is more important" - then I can disagree with you, but respect your opinion is grounded in fact.

I don't think that RFK Jr is purposely evil either - I think he is at a minimum very misinformed and dangerous.

 

After I heard that pretty much his entire family came out and said he was a crack pot when he first announced, I have not seen one thing that would dissuade my own mind, he's your new age conspiracist who has "theories" but can never seem to back anything up with concrete proof

 

if they work for you cool, but I've seen it do the exact opposite to both of my sisters. doctor tried getting me on that and I went a different route

but your "**** you" is an interesting response to a post about how antidepressants supposedly help

well we can agree to disagree. I don't think RFK Jr is dangerous at all. he is not out there putting out ill-intent and is not for killing innocent civilians in war, etc. decades long record of fighting for better environmental protection and for more individual rights over their own body's. people seem to be for those things nowadays like war, government control on one's body in the name of "public good", etc. the parties have certainly changed like you mentioned earlier. I don't recognize the democrat party anymore. they pushed me off into independent land

 

**** you is the response to saying drugs that save lives are just bullshit. You're an absolutely horrible person.

 

which pharma company do you work for? holy crap the vitriol just because someone says your drug sucks (and it does have SERIOUS negative side effects) because they've had a different personal experience.

 

People like you helped make me suffer for 25 years when I didn't have to. Afraid to take a medication that dramatically improved my life.

It's ok to say you don't like meds. It's ok to say you think other options should be tried first. That isn't what you said.

 

how did people like me help you suffer? why are you blaming your problems on "people like me". all I said was antidepressants suck (due to my personal experience with them) and that it is better off making your body right in other ways first. I'd even say smoke a fat blunt before getting on an antidepressant but make sure you're doing those other things too (eating clean, working out, setting attainable goals). my life didnt change until those three things changed.

what did the people who made you suffer give as an alternative to the pill they did not want you to take?

 

I initially thought he was just one of those who easily get into conspiracies. I've listened to him enough to form a much more informed opinion.

He's not an innocent conspiracist with mere 'theories.' He deliberately picks and chooses very specific data points to mislead. He knows exactly what he's doing – a very malicious individual profiting from the harm of others.

 

Which MLM scheme do you work for?

Also, fyi, you have secondhand experience, not firsthand.

 

This is what bothers me about a lot of stuff with people like RFK Jr.. A lot of their rhetoric is framed as “I’m just asking questions” and / or based on the fallacy of can’t disprove a negative, mistaking correlation for causation and taking things out of context.

For example we can’t never fully disprove that the CIA had nothing to do with the deaths of the Kennedys but that goes to the same as we can never disprove that aliens didn’t kill them either. Arguments like this though mean that it’s not evidence that is important but the absence of evidence.

That autism is caused by vaccines yes there has been a correlation between more autism around childhood vaccination but that doesn’t mean it’s causation. Autism for the most part wasn’t diagnosed until only a few decades and autism doesn’t present it self until children get to the age where they are socializing. That also happens to be when they are getting vaccinated.

That Asians and Jews are less vulnerable I would like to see what that is based in as we know for a fact that there were significant waves of COVID in several Asian countries. If it’s based on reports from the PRC we know they the PRC was very unreliable on their reporting of COVID but also the PRC and other Asian countries took far more aggressive measures against the spread of COVID than many non Asian countries. So while Asians might by percapita have died less they might have to do with unreliable data and that Asian countries took more measures to fight it.

Finally that there were no masa shootings before anti depressants like Prozac were widely available is simply untrue. There was the UT library shooting in 1964 for example.

 

Honestly dude... You need to learn about anti-Semitism and its history. You have to learn about how anti-Semitism always involves Jews doing some grand conspiracy. I'm sure you've heard of propaganda fake documents like "the protocols of the elders of Zion" that try to portray a cabal of Jewish elders and Rabbis scheming to dominate Europe and replace the royal families of Europe.

If you knew this background of anti-Semitism and how to this day millions of people across the planet easily latch on to these type of conspiracies, you'd understand that all RFK is doing here is providing more content for anti-Semites.

If you can't understand the harm RFK is going by leading bigots to a narrative that Jews are bioengineering a global pandemic, you are unhinged.

 

I don’t believe RFK is personally malicious but I did think he’s dangerous. I’ve seen first hand how antivaxx rhetoric has hurt a community. A few years ago a bunch of antivaxx people in Minnesota made a big push in the local Somali community here to not to get their children vaccinated and sure enough in a few months there was a measles outbreak in the Somali community.

pushing claims that Asians and Jews are less susceptible to COVID feeds into ongoing fear of those groups at a times when we’ve seen a lot more attacks on them.

Rhetoric like this actually has consequences.