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Riverfront - Alabama BRAWL (Blacks vs Whites )

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Horry4theWin, Aug 6, 2023.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    I agree I don't think it is a systematic assault of black people on Asians. There are Asians who are frustrated and fearful and certainly angry when they see an elderly asian attacked for no reason.

    To argue that socio economic and historical conditions rationalize or justify celebration of a crime though is what makes it hard to recognize these things for what they are. They are crimes.
     
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    Again I've said many times before that being a vigilante is a bad idea. The idea of a vigilante is that you're addressing a wrong that you don't see the authorities doing. Maybe this man felt like he was addressing a historical wrong and felt it was right to lash out given the state of race relations in this country the same as a vigilante feels that LE aren't dealing with crime so it's up to him to do so.
     
  3. Nook

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    Be careful with the Evangelical part. I am an atheist, and don't like Evangelical teachings - but they simply dominate the South, and that includes white and black people in the South. Religion in the South is interesting, but there are a lot of black people in the South that would tell you Evangelical teachings have nothing to do with it.

    Some - but some of it is bad experiences with some black people, it can be based on what other white people around them say - it can be based on the fact that there is a higher concentration of crime in poorer areas in the South that tend to be black - and white people often fail to realize that there are tangible reasons that crime is higher......... it can be a very complicated and multi faceted thing...

    None of the reasons are excuses - simply explanations......... and they come from ignorance and a lack of empathy and what is a common problem with those in the ruling class - laziness - just sheer laziness.

    Yes - and for poor whites, a cheap labor force entered the market and were demanding (understandably so) resources and opportunities. The South also had an extreme respect for authority, and the wealthy authority in the South were the slave owners, who told the poor whites that the Civil War was the worst thing to ever happen.
     
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    I never said evangelical teachings were the reason. I understand a large portion of the Black community in the South are evangelical baptists also. "White evangelical" is a cultural subgroup.


    Also there are always exceptions to why someone is racist. But a racist white person might already hold sentiments about fear of losing their position in the social hiearchy to black people and just reinforce those sentiments with individual encounters with a black person. The individual encounter with a black person isn't the cause. It's just a reinforcer in most cases. People who didn't have these preconceived narratives don't magically become racist from a bad encounter with a person of a different race. We all have bad encounters with people and don't blame race for it unless you already were racist before hand. So I don't find that as a valid excuse.


    When I analyze the reasons why most racist white people in this country are racist I view it through a empathetic lense in that I sincerely try to analyze where they come from and how those sentiments originated. And when I sincerely analyze them I still only have empathy and don't generate sympathy. But when I do the same analysis for Black people who hate white people, that empathy turns into sympathy more often than not.

    Black millennials literally had their parents and grandparents tell them direct stories of severe harms committed to them by the "white people". Those stories were real. The kids who hear those stories can visually see the repercussions of those stories on a daily basis when they see their under funded school or community and see how their family is struggling paying rent etc.
     
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    Why do I have to justify it? I'm just explaining what is. Again, the individual who bashed the lady with the chair should be in jail now which I believe he is.

    Understanding "what is" is important or else in 20 years a bunch of landlords are going to be shocked and chagrined that there is a violent mob forcibly displacing them from their property. "How did it come to this?"

    You can't erase basic human behavior. The notion that you won't find people in black communities that are full of resentment and hatred because of the state of conditions and why those conditions exist is some fairy tale. Humans just simply don't work that way. Cultural groups of people carry their resentment with them especially when those resentments aren't addressed properly.
     
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    Sure there are reasons why people feel angry. Many people have all sorts of reasons to feel angry. It doesn't mean an incident like this should be celebrated.
     
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    The Captain of the Riverboat speaks. This is a little different than an earlier description of events which was another private boat was supposed to dock but it still matches the overall narrative that the pontoon boat was docked in the wrong place and that it was moved by someone who was doing their duty.
     
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    ... that's on CNN.

    ...can we really trust that?;)
     
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    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/09/us/montgomery-boat-dock-fight-what-we-know/index.html
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    Looks like they arrested a white woman, I think she was the one in a blue shirt and shorts.

    There's footage of her trying to push the first mate, but I don't think that's enough to charge her.

    Law enforcement needs to arrest more people involved in the 2nd brawl. The three black men who approached the pontoon boat and the black women who were hitting the white women assaulted the white party because of their association to the initial white aggressors.

    It's also a joke if there are hate crimes charged. There's no hate crime.
     
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    The initial attack on the dock security worker was because the white party didn't get their way but it also could have been a situation where the white party wasn't going to have a black guy telling them what to do.

    This incident alone wouldn't make think it was a "hate crime". But it makes it more credible that it might be an aspect of the the instigation of the incident when one of the white guys who's a small business owner goes on social media and says he prefers white dollars anyways and delt with "a pack of gorillas before". If I'm his lawyer I'd already hate my client because he's a client that loves to shoot himself in the foot because of ego and racism.
     
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    No doubt the old guy is racist, but this incident was not about race. He was an entitled boater who wanted to park his boat where he wanted, and when told no, he got aggressive. Maybe he was more quick to violence because the first mate was black, but that's speculation.

    On the other hand, you have lots of attacks against Asian Americans, mostly by blacks, that are explicitly saying racist things and hate crimes are not charged. If that's a litmus test, then this riverfront brawl is extremely low on the scale.
     
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    That footage has everyone wanting to fight.

     
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    Be careful with the Evangelical part. I am an atheist, and don't like Evangelical teachings - but they simply dominate the South, and that includes white and black people in the South. Religion in the South is interesting, but there are a lot of black people in the South that would tell you Evangelical teachings have nothing to do with it.

    Some - but some of it is bad experiences with some black people, it can be based on what other white people around them say - it can be based on the fact that there is a higher concentration of crime in poorer areas in the South that tend to be black - and white people often fail to realize that there are tangible reasons that crime is higher......... it can be a very complicated and multi faceted thing...

    None of the reasons are excuses - simply explanations......... and they come from ignorance and a lack of empathy and what is a common problem with those in the ruling class - laziness - just sheer laziness.

    Yes - and for poor whites, a cheap labor force entered the market and were demanding (understandably so) resources and opportunities. The South also had an extreme respect for authority, and the wealthy authority in the South were the slave owners, who told the poor whites that the Civil War was the worst thing to ever happen.
    To be clear - concerning empathy, I was discussing white people lacking empathy to understand that a lot of where we are in life is based on the world we are born into.
     
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    Vigilantism rises when the people feel they cannot get help from the police or government
    Which means the government is corrupt

     
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    Why isn't anyone equally outraged by the black woman throwing the white woman into the water? The white woman could've easily drowned.
     
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    What is this weird behavior from some folks that they need to point out there's other victim and outright ignore the first one who got mobbed for just doing his jobs.

    It's like u see a blm protest and then have to chime in all lives matter
     
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