Kevin Porter Jr will be the Rockets MVP (most versatile player) next season

when you compare lebron's player evaluation skills vs. someone from CF like DD... then even with lebron's track record, it's not that difficult to say that lebron is a much better player evaluator than DD.

compare lebron's player's evaluation skills to your avg/above avg CF poster.. then yea lebron probably looks like an idiot. but lebron against DD, holic, etc... then lebron will look like a genius.

 

LOL - I am solid in my conviction until I'm not.

HEHE.

DD

 

That’s fair, the ones who are the extreme anti data people will always look the worst, but there’s only a few of those left. I would take lebron over those for sure

 

No one is extreme anti data, but stats don't tell near the story that YOU and others like you THINK it does......stats especially the modern metrics are flawed from the start as the original input is a human decision.....

Anyway, stats make arguments happen, and it makes everyone look stupid.

DD

 

The issue is that it's not possible to get the full picture of the league without data. Even if you're watching all 82 rockets games, you're seeing the other teams 2-3 times, so you really only have a good idea about 3% of the league. You can argue that someone should be more 90/10 data/eye test instead of 100/0 (i can definitely lean towards the extreme) but the idea that it's 50/50 or anything like that is absurd. If your "eye test" says a player is good, but all the data says a player sucks, that player sucks 100 times outa 100. You can say that you see something that makes you think a player WILL become good eventually, but not that a bad player is currently good.

 

It's not about depth chart. It's about value, which is a combination of potential, contract value, and team needs. I'm pretty sure Whitmore will be lower in the depth chart than KPJ. In fact, Cam is likely not in the rotation early on, and might even spend some time in the g-league. But his potential makes him more valuable than guys like KPJ and Tate, maybe Brooks.

 

I kind of feel bad for KPJ. He's fully immersed in the DD curse.

 

19-5-6 on efficient shooting is pretty good.

DD

 

Funny how some Rocket fans want to get rid of KPJ for little to nothing but every trade rumor that comes up KPJ is the main centerpiece. This is the 2nd trade proposal I've seen with KPJ.

What's the saying, "One man's trash is another man's treasure". Be careful what you want to get rid of!

Also, I like how in this article, the writer is saying the NBA PG position is CHANGING from more of a distributor to a score


https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/08/09/...alperen-sengun-jabari-smith-jr-proposal-news/

 

I know this is going to upset a lot of Rocket's fans but personally, I think KPJ is more valuable at this point than Jalen Green. And thing is, I like Jalen and I want for him to be the franchise but he’s lacking in certain areas.

This is a very important year for Jalen to show up. I think KPJ is a more consistent score, better passer and he plays better defense.

 

How does this apply to KPJ when he doesn't distribute or score well

 

Do you think this is what NBA GMs feel? If not what do you think they are missing in evaluation that you understand?

 

If he were actually an efficient shooter with a lower turnover rate then yes it would be pretty good.

You can’t just proclaim something and make it real. He was below league average efficiency last year.

 

He has improved every year - and was around the league average last year - KPJ was our best shooter last year as well.

People just don't like him because he is a bit of a wild card, but they refuse to admit that a lot of the best players in history were a bit of a wild card and shared some of the same tendencies as KPJ.

Thank God the org is not as short sighted as some of the fans here are......and can see his talent.

I can't wait to see what he becomes under Ime......as long as he is a Rocket he has my support.....and if he is traded, I want him to bring a massive return so it makes sense that he shows well for others too.

But, you guys keep on ****ing that chicken......

DD

 

Improved does not equate to good. It means he went from pretty bad to less bad. The best shooter on the worst shooting team does not equate to good shooter compared to the rest of the league. It’s the best of a bunch of bad shooters. “Around league average” is just the rosiest way possible of describing that he was still below league average. So a claim that he had good efficiency is still wrong.

I have never disliked a player for any reason other than how they play basketball. I dislike Westbrook and Brooks. Not because they are loud mouth idiots or “wildcards”, because they are bad basketball players. That’s all I care about. And honestly, pointing out that you are wrong about your description of KPJs efficiency is not hate. It’s just telling you that you are wrong about his efficiency.

Yes they see/saw his talents and in the off-season spent max money on a player to take his job for now and used a top 4 pick on a player to take that job for the future. Im not gonna use those facts to claim that the organization doesn’t value him at all, but it’s not exactly a ringing endorsement either.

Rockets players will always have my support. I’m not rooting against any of them, but I’m not going to put on my ultra homer glasses and try to speak into existence that players are something that we very well know they are not….Yet.

 

I can argue that KPJ has been our best score the past 2yrs. Keep in mind he has had to sacrifice his game for others, all while learning a new position.

 

Well, if you were the Rockets GM, you would certainly upset a lot of Rockets fans. I'm glad you're just an internet poster.

 

Yeah they weren't saying that as a knock on his character at all, they were complementing his game, I dunno how anybody heard that different.

 

Exactly they were saying he is "Cold" as in a "Cold blooded killer"......he has a great game according to NBA players.

Not so much guys on here buried in spreadsheets that never played a high level game of anything in their lives.......and got water & juice for those that did.....

Go get me a juice box - beyotches !



DD

 

Sacrificing his game? His role allows him to dominate the ball
He's like top ten in the league in time of possession. This pg thing does wonders for his usage and ability to dictate his own output because of how much he has the ball.

Also in Green's rookie season, Green scored more on better efficiency.