What are you talking about. People who blame NATO rather than putin are effin losers. Putin literally said in the eve of the invasion he was trying to recreate the old Soviet union. Blaming NATO is such bullshit
On the eve of the invasion putin literally said the ukrianian people were not real people and the collapse of the Soviet union was the biggest disaster in Russian poltiics. He did not even mention nato expansion in his invasion video Putin didn't start blaming NATO until AFTER his invasion failed. People don't even watch the original video
Putin speak. Putin lies. Here is an in-depth explainer on why Russia wanted to invade Ukraine: This is all about securing the "gateway invasion access corridors" from the Russian perspective. Ukraine controls one of those corridors. Who would invade using these corridors? NATO, naturally. ETA: More in-depth explainer
It makes me so frustrated when lefties and people in real life try to re create the reasons putin gave for invasion. Putin NEVER whined about NATO expansion on the eve of the invasion. He spoke about how the two cultures were similar, how the ukrian people spoke Russia and how their country was part of Soviet union decades ago. Putin invaded with the goal of reuniting UKR with RU and he didnt wanna make it about NATO. He wanted to make it about the Soviet union and the mistakes made in the 90s and 80s. Putin only pivoted and started talking about NATO when it was clear when his invasion was failing and he needed new narratives. i just dont understand why so many ppl in life go about believing conspiracies and other ppls interruptions instead of hearing it from directly.
Do you know how sad this is? You're literaly sounding like @Commodore . I dont give a **** what someone else thinks what putin said when I can hear what putin says himself. Its just fascinating how folks want to summarize the speech and make up their own narratives.. I would rather listen to putin himself. Nobody can think for themselves without someone telling them what they should think. Listen to putin yourself.
First of all, GO ... **** ... YOURSELF. Next, Putin said something something Nazis something something Satin Worship something something Homosexuals something something etc. You can base your world view on what propaganda Putin is spouting or not. I bravely chose not. BTW WTF was Putin saying about the 2014 invasion?
I don't think you can take too much to heart what a politician says in his speeches. It is by its nature rhetoric meant to influence how people feel and doesn't have to be any kind of reflection of what the speaker actually believes. He said what he thought would get the best reaction from Russians.
Yes lets totally ignore the reasons a leader states hes invading on the eve of the invasion and rather listen to what other people interrupt of such invasion. If putin was simply trying to get the Russians on his side he would've used NATO from the beginning. He didnt. He clearly said what his true intentions were on the eve of the invasion but folks would rather listen to youtube commentary and other pundits. Im not here to argue with anyone. People can believe whatever they want but id rather listen to what the leader himself says rather than conspiracies but thats just me
yes--here's a June 2023 article in the NYT that reports "Today, American companies are paying around $1 billion a year to Russia’s state-owned nuclear agency to buy the fuel that generates more than half of the United States’ emissions-free energy." https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/14/climate/enriched-uranium-nuclear-russia-ohio.html
It feels like Ukraine has lost the initiative in its current counter offensive. But the war has shifted to Ukrainians launching suicide drones back at Russia, and Russia is now looking at North Korea for arms while giving up gas money to cash poor North Korea.
To understand why you also have to understand the right wing politics in the Russian media. Ukraine is a topic kind of like abortion here where in the media those to the right of Putin make every argument they can in as many ways as they can. There's not just one reason. But in Putin's speech he mostly spent his time harkening back to revisionist history going back to the Viking era. It was all about bloodlines, and ancient history. Ukraine is where "our people" first settled therefore it is ours by bloodright or whatever. -For the Russian military, the urgency was to secure the geographical advantages of Crimea, Eastern Ukraine, and the Sea. Also trying to outflank NATO who they thought would eventually bring in Ukraine, and bring defensive measures to their doorsteps. -Economically the Russian government & the business world around the Oligarchs wanted to sieze Ukraine's industry since Russia has a very limited economy. The grain production, and ports are important for trade. Especially with Russia's interest in influencing African countries in the future they wanted leverage of grain production that though could not get unless Ukraine was part of Russia. Also it was inevitable that Ukraine would join the EU once it became a Democracy as of recently. -Politically Putin was and still is in danger of being taken out of power from his right where the "blood and soil" rallying cries come from. He's showing that he's doing something for them, and being a tough guy. ........ This all boils down to the fact that Russia and it's economy really sucks. It has very little future, and what future it has relies heavy on dominance... NOT equal trade, and it doesn't have much value to offer other than being a tough guy on the world stage, and some oil. The fact that it needs more and more and more land and people to be conquered for it's survival actually speaks to its weakness. If you have more land, people, and natural resources than most countries in the world, you shouldn't need to be stealing everyone else's sh$t.
Russia never had an industrialized economy. The Soviet Union did but it was more than Russia today. Russia today is raw resources.
Right - which is why Russian soldiers should get up and leave Ukraine and go home. There is no "both sides" here. Russia unilaterally made the decision to invade Ukraine, another nation and attempt to annex it as part of Russia. Russia is the bad guy - they are the ones that have taken aggressive action and they need to leave. Joining NATO means nothing to Ukraine when there is no longer a Ukraine.
Correct. Ukraine has thriving ports and industry (Industry that services Africa which is a big subplot of their intentions that cannot be understated). To put this war very plainly.... this is a case of a thief stealing someone else's sh$t.
Russia is the bad guy. So are the US neocons such as Virginia Nuland who I think has recently been appointed to second in the State Dept. They can care less about Ukrainians as they are just pawns in a proxy war.
