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Kamala is no joke; will vote for her again

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Jul 2, 2021.

  1. tallanvor

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    His son was not 'brought home in a flagged drapped coffin' . His son did not die overseas in combat. He has told this lie about his son's death numerous times. This time he told the lie to parents who had actually just lost their child overseas in combat.
     
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  2. DonnyMost

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    It requires a level of stupidity and/or callousness I can't attribute to Biden to lie about the death of his own son. It's not like this isn't public knowledge and he thinks he can pull a fast one. That explanation just doesn't jibe with me.

    I think there's probably some truth to the idea that Biden believes his son died due to Iraq, and so in his eyes, that's semantics. I can't say I wouldn't speak similarly if I were in his shoes. It probably helps cope with the loss/trauma as well.

    As for "brought him home in a flag draped coffin", I have no clue as to the logistics of his son's death and funeral etc, but it's not unlikely his body was indeed transported to its final resting place this way.

    As for these individuals, I agree that these encounters are disappointing, but it's also what I would kinda expect if I met one of the most important people in the world.
     
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  3. basso

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    is a lie not a lie if it's just a hamfisted attempt at empathizing?
     
  4. dobro1229

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    How was it Joe Biden's fault that a handful of Afghani citizens committed suicide by holding onto the landing gear of a jumbo jet as it was taking off? How was it Joe Biden's fault that there was a suicide bomber that killed Afghanistan citizens, and a few of our soldiers? Biden had a choice to help get people out that day or just withdraw completely and not get as many people out as they could.

    You guys just don't realize that the government in Kabul fell. The army just gave up and did not even try to deflect the Taliban for 48 to 72 hours. The Kabul government and their Army get no mention in any of the comments you guys give.

    And when you talk about how poorly it was executed, in the end you are talking about our military. Biden only gave the orders to evacuate Bagram airbase, move central location to the Kabul airport, extract as many as you can that were assisting the US, and get out. It's up to the military leaders on the ground, and stationed in the region to execute on the ground. There's really no way for you to condemn the Afghanistan withdrawal solely at Biden's feet and not partially blaming our military.

    The situation in Afghanistan and Kabul was not good. However it was a situation. Joe Biden, and our fantastic military did the job as well as they could and didn't purposefully kill Afghanistan citizens, or our own service members. Terrorists in Afghanistan did and the political leaders years ago who sent our soldiers there on a foolish mission.

    Why don't you blame the real problem here instead of trying to score political points?
     
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    Pretty sure Biden set the withdrawal deadline as 9/11. I get the significance of that date but was that necessary or could we have evacuated more people? Why evacuate Bagram?
     
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  6. Amiga

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    He believes his son died due to the burning pits overseas, which caused his brain cancer. He romanticizes his son’s overseas military service as the cause of his death to give his son’s life meaning. It’s not just a casualty of brain cancer, but a life given in service. That’s how I’ve understood Biden’s attribution of his son’s death.
     
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  7. dobro1229

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    Sorry if I missed it but was this comment caught on camera audio? I'm not sure if you know exactly what was said or not?

    The lady is upset because apparently he tried to empathize, and misrepresented the situation of his sons death. But... his son did die, and he was trying to empathize. Most people in that situation don't freak out and run to the media to make headlines on FoxNews or CNN because of someone just trying to empathize with a situation.

    Yes there were normal parents etc. who talked to the media about Trump's clumsy attempts at empathy too. I don't think that was in good form either even though at the time I probably wasn't going to go to bat fighting for Trump's honor.

    Its just a real cheap way of trying to score political points. Especially without any audio. There are plenty of grieving parents who also happen to be blatantly partisan. Maybe the media needs to do a better job of not just immediately taking their word for it without any evidence. A Democrat gold star family could meet Trump, Trump could say I'm sooo sorry in a honorable way, and then the mother and father could just go to the media and say "Trump said I'm sorry and then said "Heil Hitler." Are we supposed to just accept their word as gospel truth with no evidence?
     
  8. tallanvor

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    This is some incredible mental gymnastics to downplay someone lying about their son's death to a parent who just lost their child. You even managed to tell yourself its not a lie. There was no consequences when he told this lie in the past so he sees no problem repeating it. Evil and arrogance.
     
  9. dobro1229

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    The longer we stayed the more dangerous it was becoming on the ground for our troops trying to get people evacuated. If your case was that it was unsafe for our soldiers then you should be arguing for the date to have been 9/10 or 9/9. The government fell, and the military gave up in a blink. Time was of the essence. People on the right get angry at those soldiers dying from the suicide bomber, but those soldiers died because the US was staying on the ground too long try and get more people out.

    Afghanistan had fallen. You can't be mad at Biden for the decision to stay both too long, and not long enough at the same time.

    The military chose to consolidate the evacuation from the Kabul airport instead of Bagram. I'm sure there are 100 reasons but my guess is the security infrastructure was probably better suited anyways for civilian evacuations. If you go to CostCo to get bulk groceries you need a big cart, and you need to take the SUV. You need to get lumber and some drywall at HomeDepot and you take the Truck. My guess is it was a better tool for the job, but again that was a military decision as much as it was a political decision from Biden. I doubt Biden said, hey I got an idea... lets just abandon Bagram and use a civilian airport to operate out of.
     
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    The Biden administration did a poor job with the full withdrawal. The withdrawal was an unprepared rush job, set in motion by an agreement with the Taliban under the Trump administration, which the Biden administration was also eager to complete.

    The September 11th date was four months later than the May 1st day that the Trump administration had already agreed upon with the Taliban. The agreement at the time was criticized for several reasons: 1) excluding the Afghan government from the negotiation table, ensuring their failure to hold on; 2) releasing 5000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers, further undermining the Afghan government; 3) May 1, 2021 was too short of a timeframe for an orderly full withdrawal that included not just Americans but also Afghans who would need to evacuate, assuming the Afghan government would fall.

    The Trump administration had already reduced the number of US troops from 13,000 to 2,500, even though the Taliban didn't fulfill their side of the agreement and continued to attack the Afghan government.

    The Biden administration delayed the date to September 11th (initially August 31st) even though the Taliban continued to not abide by the agreement. The Taliban made a statement that they would take every necessary countermeasure due to the failure to meet the initially agreed-upon May 1st date. Trump also made a statement criticizing Biden for not sticking to the May 1st date, and the Taliban indeed increased their attacks against the Afghan government after May 1st.

    This was a rushed job that was set up for the Taliban to take over. I blame the Trump administration for setting up the failure and the Biden administration for renegotiating the agreement. To me, anyone saying this is solely one admin's fault is being partisan.
     
  12. Amiga

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    not funny and extremely insensitive
     
  13. DonnyMost

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    I think he's trying to present himself as being in a position that is as close as possible to the woman without lying to maximize his credibility for offering empathy.

    If I were to give him advice I'd tell him to lay off the "we brought him home" thing, that's stretching it too far. Even if they literally did fly him from Walter Reed to his grave in a flag-draped coffin. I can absolutely see why that would rub people the wrong way because, even if true, it's misleading and devalues the suffering of those who died apart from their loved one.

    I would also tell him, for the most part, to not bring up his son altogether. A grieving family does not want to hear about your situation or problems. That's like grief counseling 101. But like I said, I would not expect much in the way of a personalized, soft touch from one of the most important people on the planet.


    Sure, he's evil, go for it. Whatever helps you get through your day.

    I've known a handful of people in similar situations and so Biden's behavior makes sense to me.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    What are the chances that Donald J. Trump, @basso and @tallanvor 's currently 3x indicted preferred candidate, could go from a standing position, to one knee, then return to a standing position - in public?

     
  15. DonnyMost

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    Not only not funny, it's also pretty dumb.
     
  16. NewRoxFan

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    No... we think they are stupid enough to defend, support, and vote for donald trump.
     
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  17. basso

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    why close bagram?
     
  18. basso

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    sir, this is the D&D.
     
  19. basso

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    go 'stros!
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    So you have designated zones for being an *******? You include your home life as one of those zones. The poor people that have to live with you.
     
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