Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

I think a lot of people who write stuff like that live in a world where truth is just some unattainable idealization. Reality is simply what you can convince enough people to believe. I'm fairly certain Trump inhabits that type of mindset, as do a lot of posters here and, from a difference part of the spectrum, a lot of academics, so called post-modernists and deconstructionists (though many of them are retiring).

It's all just rhetoric and if enough people believe something, then it's true enough. That makes me a bit sad, b/c I personally don't think that mindset leads to achieving great things or to a healthy future.

 

When Trump told him he was going to get fake electors and steal the election, Barr was smart enough to say no and get himself canned.

 

WSJ editors working overtime to defend Trump.

 

As someone who has been called a “post modernist” and a “Deconstructivist” it’s a lot different outside of an architecture studio to legal matters. Somehow I think quoting Derrida is going to be a successful legal defense.

 

You keep saying this. What was Trump's state of mind when he threatened Pence to not certify the election? What was his state of mind when he threatened the Georgia secretary of state to find more votes? He stated his intention pretty clearly. It's on tape. He tweeted it.

 

not exactly

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald...cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_171&cx_artPos=0

Democrats and the Trump Indictment Spectacle
They want the election to be all about the former President, all the time.
By The Editorial Board
Updated Aug. 3, 2023 at 6:46 pm ET

Donald Trump pleaded not guilty in federal court in Washington, D.C., on Thursday, as the world’s cameras focused on the spectacle of a former President and current candidate in the dock. The legal case will play out in the coming months, but the political point to keep in mind is that this is exactly where Democrats want voters to focus: On Mr. Trump all day, every day.

The more the press is preoccupied by Mr. Trump’s courtroom dramas, the less public attention there will be to President Biden’s declining capacities or to the facts emerging about Mr. Biden’s promotion of the family business. (See nearby.) The indictments keep all eyes on Mr. Trump’s troubles rather than on Mr. Biden’s record or debates about the next four years.

Mr. Trump on trial also means his competitors for the GOP presidential nomination can barely get media attention. The press asks first and last what they think about Mr. Trump’s indictment, and then upbraids them if they aren’t sufficiently critical. Their policies, or differences with Mr. Trump, might as well be shouts in the forest. Chris Christie, who is Mr. Trump’s most vocal critic, is ignored except for what he says about Mr. Trump.

All of this has Democrats elated because they want Mr. Trump to be the Republican nominee. They hope GOP voters will respond to the indictments by nominating Mr. Trump as a form of political retribution. No matter that this essentially means Republicans would be letting Democrats choose their nominee.

And so we careen, without an apparent off-ramp, toward a 2024 campaign debate about a sitting President’s age and family business and what a former President did in 2020 as he tries to stay out of jail. To mention a quaint notion: This isn’t good for the country.

Appeared in the August 4, 2023, print edition as 'Democrats and the Trump Spectacle'.
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What do you think, @Os Trigonum
Are the charges valid?
Are your memories of the events between the few months before the election and the inauguration substantially different than mine and the other posters who are not Team MAGA?

 

You and the WSJ are making my point. That’s a defense of Trump claiming this is just supposed to distract from Biden.

 

if you say so

 

valid?

I'm skeptical

 

I’m not the one who wrote:
“ but the political point to keep in mind is that this is exactly where Democrats want voters to focus: On Mr. Trump all day, every day.

The more the press is preoccupied by Mr. Trump’s courtroom dramas, the lesspublic attention there will be to President Biden’s declining capacities or to the factsemerging about Mr. Biden’s promotion ofthe family business. (See nearby.) Theindictments keep all eyes on Mr. Trump’s troubles rather than on Mr. Biden’s record”

This is why I often wonder if you read what you repost.

 

no, what you wrote was "That’s a defense of Trump." Which it is not

 

Trump just has to play the political victim before boarding his plane. He got the last line right, when you look at what that loser tried to do.

"When you look at what’s happening, this is a persecution of a political opponent,” he said at Ronald Reagan airport. “This was never supposed to happen in America.”

 

Calling dc filthy and dirty and filled with lunatics when you have a jury of dc folks is a hmm......interesting strategy?

 

Appreciate you posting this. Over and over, for years now, we've watched people in the media and in the comment-o-sphere talking about unprecedented steps and reactions while avoiding or taking for granted the completely anomalous and once-unthinkable nature of DJT's behavior as an elected official. Even a lot of left-leaning media do this, as if "well, Trump gonna Trump, sigh." It's like one mass eyeroll to 4-years of Access-Hollywood type behavior, as if we're just supposed to find a way to navigate crazy and puerile locker-room or mafioso rough-housing that has no place in a branch of government.

It's worth saying that he's put everyone in a tough spot, a whole country, but he (and his closest sycophants) did this. They took unprecedented actions, on several fronts, that necessitate either acquiescence or unprecedented responses. Maybe I'm over-simplifying, but not by much.

 

That's totally consistent with calibrating expectations and henchman Ted Cruz who is already predicting a DC conviction in court, with a mean liberal judge and awful, you know, city dwellers in the jury. They're already playing the longish game of "so what if we lose. We'll appeal, downplay it, and get back in power in about 14 months." I wonder if people like Cruz are planning to finally abandon ship and pivot if and when Trump loses next November and would be left facing all his ongoing legal woes? There's just nobody left with enough spine to lead enough of the GOP to stand up to DJT until that happens, and maybe not even after that were to happen.

Good for Barr and Pence and the 80+ witnesses, I guess. But wow at what the rest of the presumably smart GOP politicians are calculating here... eek.

 

Now the Orlando Magic donate to DeSantis, a team with mostly black players, a black coach and GM......of course it is the DeVoss family that had that b**** that tried to kill the Education office, so not surprised.

Christian Facism - gonna cause a ruckus.....

DD

 

Oh. My. God.

 

He's going all in on the presidential pardon strategy, I guess.