Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

conservative judge Michael Luttig...

 

pence making it clear...

 

... but, pence wimps out. Because after all... party before country.

 

as luck would have it

the Dersh

ALAN DERSHOWITZ: For all you Trump haters popping champagne over this dubious indictment, here's EXACTLY why it may collapse

https://dersh.substack.com/p/alan-dershowitz-for-all-you-trump

excerpt:

The current indictment involves far more serious accusations, but the evidence seems speculative.

In order to establish the underlying charges, the government would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump himself actually knew and believed that he had lost the election fair and square.

That he intended to subvert the will of the people.

I doubt they can prove that.

I did not believe that the government would bring this indictment unless it had corroborated evidence that Trump had told people that he knew he had been defeated and was challenging the results for fraudulent and corrupt purposes.

But from what I have read and heard; they don't appear to have any such evidence.
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The sad part is that they really don't have a clue how he wants to govern. They don't even realize how much worse an autocrat/dictator type would be, and that's exactly what Trump wants. He wants to live like a King, cut taxes on the richest of the rich, and have his own loyalists in the highest positions of the military and justice system bowing to his commands. He wants complete control. He would basically require them to take an oath to him, and not the constitution as we know it, if he had his way. But, those dumbasses will send him money, because they can't see him for what he is.

 

It's 99.91% clear that he knew he lost and that he intended to subvert the will of the people. Seems to me any reasonable person would agree. Nevertheless, proving that beyond a reasonable doubt is no easy task. The prosecution has a tall order, one that they absolutely should take - no former POTUS is above the law, especially when someone is an enemy of the Constitution. If Trump is found not guilty, not a bad chance with an all-star defense team, I rank this on par with the OJ Simpson case.

 

wsj editorial board spinning untruths...

 

in this case though the jury needs to be convinced that Trump is on par with an impressionable child, or the defense is seeking an insanity defense. You have Mike Pence just today saying that these were widely considered "crackpot" lawyers vs the official white house counsel, senior DOJ officials, federal judges, etc. all saying the opposite plain and clear.

The "Trump believed it" defense only works if Trump takes the stand and makes a strong case to the Jury himself. Otherwise the Jury is instructed to infer what a "reasonable" person would conclude... and we know that Trump is not going to claim he's insane.

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I'll admit and I've always said that Trump is one of if not the most difficult person we've ever had to be tried in our court system. There's no person that has no opinion of him already baked in. It is like OJ but on steroids.

Still, there is also no guarantee that the system wont work when a jury goes in to deliberate. We just have no idea how it's going to go, and that uncertainty is the main reason prosecutors have avoided prosecuting Trump in the past.

 

Amazing how many time maga lawyers (and wannabes) keep trotting this out no matter how many times the indictment is shown...

 

the dersh must not think any of these people will be called to testify...

All The Republicans Who Told Donald Trump He Was Lying About Election Fraud
Donald Trump was repeatedly told by top Republican officials and allies, including people he often relied on for candid advice, that his claims of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 presidential election were bogus. He simply chose to disregard the truth, according to Tuesday’s federal indictment of the former president.

The latest indictment, Trump’s third one to date, lays out numerous instances when GOP allies at the highest levels of federal and state governments called him out for spreading lies. They ranged from Vice President Mike Pence to Arizona Republican House Speaker Russell Bowers to Trump’s own 2020 campaign manager, Bill Stepien.

Here’s a look at all the Republicans cited in the indictment as people who told Trump, either publicly or privately, that he was peddling misinformation. None were listed by name; they were listed by the titles they had in late 2020 and early 2021. HuffPost identified as many as we could by name.

And of course, the “Defendant” is Trump.

Former Vice President Mike Pence

“The Defendant’s Vice President—who personally stood to gain by remaining in office as part of the Defendant’s ticket and whom the Defendant asked to study fraud allegations—told the Defendant that he had seen no evidence of outcome-determinative fraud.”

Former Director Of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe

“The Director of National Intelligence—the Defendant’s principal advisor on intelligence matters related to national security—disabused the Defendant of the notion that the Intelligence Community’s findings regarding foreign interference would change the outcome of the election.”

Former Director Of The Cybersecurity And Infrastructure Security Agency Chris Krebs

“The Department of Homeland Security’s Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (“CISA”)—whose existence the Defendant signed into law to protect the nation’s cybersecurity infrastructure from attack—joined an official multi-agency statement that there was no evidence any voting system had been compromised and that declared the 2020 election ‘the most secure in American history.’ Days later, after the CISA Director—whom the Defendant had appointed—announced publicly that election security experts were in agreement that claims of computer-based election fraud were unsubstantiated, the Defendant fired him.”

Former Attorney General William Barr

“The senior leaders of the Justice Department—appointed by the Defendant and responsible for investigating credible allegations of election crimes—told the Defendant on multiple occasions that various allegations of fraud were unsupported.”

Georgia Secretary Of State Brad Raffensperger

“The Defendant insinuated that more than ten thousand dead voters had voted in Georgia. Just four days earlier, Georgia’s Secretary of State had explained to the Defendant that this was false.”

Former Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen

“The Defendant asserted that there had been 205,000 more votes than voters in Pennsylvania. The Defendant’s Acting Attorney General and Acting Deputy Attorney General had explained to him that this was false.

“The Defendant asserted that voting machines in various contested states had switched votes from the Defendant to Biden. The Defendant’s Attorney General, Acting Attorney General, and Acting Deputy Attorney General all had explained to him that this was false, and numerous recounts and audits had confirmed the accuracy of voting machines.”

Former Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey And House Speaker Lee Chatfield

“The Defendant said that there had been a suspicious vote dump in Detroit, Michigan. The Defendant’s Attorney General had explained to the Defendant that this was false, and the Defendant’s allies in the Michigan state legislature— the Speaker of the House of Representatives and Majority Leader of the Senate—had publicly announced that there was no evidence of substantial fraud in the state.”

Former Nevada Secretary Of State Barbara Cegavske

“The Defendant claimed that there had been tens of thousands of double votes and other fraud in Nevada. The Nevada Secretary of State had previously rebutted the Defendant’s fraud claims by publicly posting a ‘Facts vs. Myths’ document explaining that Nevada judges had reviewed and rejected them, and the Nevada Supreme Court had rendered a decision denying such claims.”

Former Arizona House Speaker Russell “Rusty” Bowers

“The Defendant said that more than 30,000 non-citizens had voted in Arizona…. The Speaker of the Arizona House of Representatives, who had supported the Defendant in the election, had issued a public statement that there was no evidence of substantial fraud in Arizona.”

Trump’s 2020 Campaign Manager Bill Stepien

“Senior staffers on the Defendant’s 2020 re-election campaign (‘Defendant’s Campaign’ or ‘Campaign’)—whose sole mission was the Defendants re-election—told the Defendant on November 7, 2020, that he had only a five to ten percent chance of prevailing in the election, and that success was contingent on the Defendant winning ongoing vote counts or litigation in Arizona, Georgia, and Wisconsin. Within a week of that assessment, the Defendant lost in Arizona—meaning he had lost the election.”

“The Defendant said that more than 30,000 non-citizens had voted in Arizona. The Defendant’s own Campaign Manager had explained to him that such claims were false.”

You can read Tuesday’s full indictment here.

 

Isn't that the only possible defense aside from Giuliani and Powell's ineffective counsel? I know my little murder dialogue was silly, but Trump had people within his own justice department telling him that he lost, that there was no fraud, and that sending fake slates of electors to Congress would be illegal. He was informed of the legality of his plan and chose to commit illegal acts.

It seems like criminal intent could be easily proven if it's established that Trump was told his plan was illegal and he did it anyway. Intent requires knowledge and if they can prove he knew what he was doing was wrong then that's a wrap.

As the indictment says, Trump could believe he won every state (and it does quote him as saying he thinks he won every state) and it would be fine. It would be fine if he believed the sky is purple and that fathers should be allowed to marry their daughters. Nobody is policing belief, they're prosecuting action on illegal belief.

 

Welcome to the party, Boris Epshteyn!

 

This is my favorite indictment quote:

What is yours?

 

I expect no less from Traitor Ted. That propaganda pig has licked Trump's boots for years, and knew the whole Election fraud claims were a lie. I really hope he gets disbarred and thrown out of office. We can do so much better.

 

What the heck was the other idiot son "in the room for some of these things" ??

 

Trump indictment includes charge that could result in execution if "death results from the acts committed"

 

Trump has caused more destruction and division of our country than any President this century. He has turned Patriots into radicals of hate against the presiding President, the Democratic party, the FBI, DOJ, media, and the press. Make America Great is such a sick slogan for that psycho, and Truth Social is a joke of a title for his Propaganda and lie spreading website, where he NEVER speaks the truth. Trump says that if you combined the 5 worst Presidents in history, that Biden would be worse. The reality is that Trump is actually the worst of them all, by a landslide.

 

That quote is just too hard to beat. It should already be on a slew of T-shirts.
I hope the campaign advisor knew it could go down in history. Bravo, brave soul.
And don't leave out the 0-32 part, haha.