Rockets trade TyTy Washington and Usman Garuba + stuff to Atlanta for Alpha Kaba

Can you believe Silas never even tried to run Destiny with Sengun when Destiny was shooting 3's like he was prime ray allen?

We might be talking about Silas' incompetence until the end of time

 

Destiny HOF career confirmed. Also We gave Garuba and TyTy away for nothing

 

Garuba's ceiling is literally just Boris Diaw right?? And that's if everything breaks perfectly for him

I'm not losing any sleep.

 

We didn't give them away for nothing. We gave them away along with two SRPs and cash for nothing.

 

Garuba will be lucky to get his 2024/25 option picked up.

2023/24 is likely his last in the association.

 

Practicing with Spain for the 2023 FIBA World Cup, Garuba talked about being traded to the Thunder with Spain’s media outlet Marca’s Nacho Duke. In his interview, he talked about how much contact he’s had with the Thunder and what he expects during his time in OKC.

“They have told me that they trust me a lot, that they think I was not in the right situation in Houston and I agree with them,” Garuba said. “The Thunder are a team whose style of play can come in handy for me, and from the times I’ve played against them, I think I can benefit a lot from that system.”

 

I'm usually pretty in line with your posts but this one not so much. Boris Diaw is not some schlub. If you guaranteed Garuba's career trajectory to be in line with Diaw but gave it away for nothing that's a pretty obvious L.

 

No. Boris Diaw played for 14 seasons and 28,000 minutes - there is basically a less than 1% chance that Garuba sticks around the NBA that long.

 

That's why I said it's his ceiling if everything breaks perfectly

I agree with your assessment, though

Edit: Let's all be realistic about Diaw though--he had a long career, but his averages were 8, 4, and 3 off 49/33/72 shooting, and about half of his career games played were off the bench. If a guy's best-case outcome is a career bench player that is not, actually, anything to lose sleep over.

 

Looking at the OKC roster, it's no certainty that either Garuba or Tyty makes the final 15, in fact it's probable that at least one of them gets the axe.



1 SGA
2 Bertrans
3 Dort
4 Holmgren
5 Oladipo
6 Micic
7 Giddy
8 Kenrich Williams
9 Cason Wallace
10 Poku
11 Dieng
12 Jalen Williams
13 Mann
14 Jaylin Williams
15 ?????


6 dudes fighting for that final roster spot.

Isaiah Joe
Jeremiah Robinson-Earl
Aaron Wiggins
Jack White
Garuba
Tyty.


So which future HOFer gets cut ??

 

It's probably gonna be Isaiah Joe. I doubt the Thunder fans are crying about all the scrubs theyve dropped over the years. Bazely started most of the games for them 2 years ago, now he's gone. Similar for Hamidou Diallo previously. They just bring people into the gym and keep the ones they like.

 

pretty sure OKC won’t have to pay someone draft picks to take them if they do.

 

No, they will just cut them and the dead money will be on their cap.

For the Rockets who were intent upon using every cent of their available cap space to improve the team, that wasn't an option ....

Que Tilman is cheap & fire Stone in 3-2-1 .....

 

It's not the stats for Diaw - it's that he was a smart guy and generally made the right decisions with the ball in his hands . He was a very valuable rotation player for playoff teams in his prime in Phoenix and San Antonio. Kind of like Horford now (9/6/3)...that being said, I doubt Garuba ever gets to Diaw like value.

I can see Garuba eventually being an 8/4/3 guy fairly easily if you keep feeding him minutes because he has similar skill sets but the intelligence and speed to process the game is something that will take many years for him to develop and in the meanwhile I agree it's not worth the time to develop him when there are likely better "off the shelf" players we could invest in as needed(although likely more expensive)

 

It's not the stats for Diaw - it's that he was a smart guy and generally made the right decisions with the ball in his hands . He was a very valuable rotation player for playoff teams in his prime in Phoenix and San Antonio. Kind of like Horford now (9/6/3)...that being said, I doubt Garuba ever gets to Diaw like value.

I can see Garuba eventually being an 8/4/3 guy fairly easily if you keep feeding him minutes because he has similar skill sets but the intelligence and speed to process the game is something that will take many years for him to develop and in the meanwhile I agree it's not worth the time to develop him when there are likely better "off the shelf" players we could invest in as needed(although likely more expensive).

 

Exactly. Diaw was a brilliant fit with the Spurs and part of the reason they destroyed the Heat with ball movement in the Finals.

Team's need role players too. Rotation guys. Bench guys. Diaw was not some fringe guy who hung on and got lucky.

They should've packaged those picks if they didn't intend to play them. They should've given them time after they drafted them. They should've retained value in some way. Regardless of what anyone thinks of them as players, or their futures, this is the pissest poor of asset management and roster building from a guy who's already made mistakes he should've learned from.

 

Was it for nothing? Didn’t we get back the cap space to sign Landale, Jeff Green and Holiday, after pivoting from plan A which was Lopez?

Garuba has the best chance to become something out of the guys that got sent out but I’m pretty confident that Landale will be the better player over the next couple of seasons.

 

Demand for these guys was/is precisely zero.

The Thunder have 7 more players than they can roster and they can't find any takers.

Take off the homer glasses. Garuba and Washington aren't first round draft picks anymore - they're JAGs in a league full of JAGs.

Also enough with the "should've given them time" BS. Washington ok fine, legitimate statement. But Garuba? That's Dreamshook level of analysis.

Garuba was in the rotation the entire season, for a team that had played over 70 games, about 1000 minutes IIRC, for a team that had nobody save Boban to compete with him.

Thats a real look, those are real NBA minutes. And he was simply not very good in most of them nor showed much else. In many of them he was comically bad. He was worse than Boban.

Way worse. Than Boban.

 

The fact that they had to pay the other team to take the players means that the players were worse than zero value. Either that or it was a bad trade.

Let's say, they really tried and nobody wanted them for free and the best they could do was negative 2 SRPs and cash. That means they spent two FRPs to draft two negative value players. So either this trade was a bad move or the drafting of those players was bad moves.

If they didn't think they had room for so many young players, why didn't they trade the picks BEFORE the draft? Picks, especially first rounders always have positive values before the draft. Remember that somebody offered a FRP for Gordon and they refused? The reason? They didn't want picks because they didn't want to draft more rookies. That was pretty dumb. Who says you have to use the pick to draft a player? Draft picks are just trade currency. They could flip it for something else.

TL,DR: Every time you have to pay someone to take a player off your hands is an indication that you have made a bad deal in the past.