What will it take to make you seriously consider an EV?

why stop at 7 years. let's do 10

 

How many seven-year-old Teslas are there on the road?

 

If the interest is under 3%, I'd extend that loan as long as possible.

 

More good news :



*EDIT* :

From : 7 Automakers Will Open a Vast EV Charging Network Together in 2024

We don't yet know what the joint venture will be called or when the network of 30,000 chargers will be completed. The automakers do claim that the stations will be in urban areas and along highways, and that each station will have multiple DC fast-charging connectors. Some locations will be designated as "flagship stations" and will provide "additional amenities." The automakers say that the charging network will integrate with the various manufacturer's apps and navigation functions, allowing for route planning, integrated payment functions, and even charging reservations.

 

Good. More choices, more outlets.

Not interested.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...ivor-automakers-combustion-models-2023-07-26/

LONDON, July 26 (Reuters) - Porsche (P911_p.DE) has a plan to gradually electrify its car lineup so that electric vehicles make up 80% of sales by 2030, and it aims to make its iconic 911 the only internal-combustion engine model left standing, a top executive said.

The German luxury automaker's plans have been closely watched, including by environmentalists, because of its investment in e-fuels and push for the EU to allow sales of such vehicles after 2035.

Porsche, which had not previously outlined plans to ultimately have only one combustion-engine model, is seen as closely associated with e-fuels because of an investment in Chilean energy company HIF Global.

The automaker will electrify its compact SUV Macan, followed by the 718 sports car and then the best-selling Cayenne, Porsche e-fuels team leader Karl Dums said. The 911, accounting for 13% of sales in 2022, is the exception.

"Our strategy in the first place is switching to electric mobility and ... we will produce the 911 as long as possible with a combustion engine," Dums said.


Hopefully I am dead before the combustion engine dies.

 

Man, I wish I was excited as you guys about EV's, but man I don't like spending money on cars. My wife's SUV and my pretend-truck (Ridgeline) are just at about about 75k miles and my plan is to run them to the ground. Hoping that all this charging network and range **** is figured out once I'm back in the market.

 

My limit is 6 years. Im have kept an f150 for 17 years. If I should be able to get the payments where I want with a 6 year term, especially since I don’t trade in often. Trade-in+down payment on a 40k vehicle would give me a payment of around $500. I get a car allowance for work which would pay more than 60% of that. So, 6 years is no big deal.

 

I’m getting a M2 bmw gasolineeee in about a year. I plan on keeping that car as my last petrol car and keeping it even when I eventually buy electric.

 

The most economical and environmentally friendly vehicle is the one you own.

 

Economical? Not really

Friendly? Not really

It does bug the hell outta me but there's nothing I can do about it yet.

 

Depending on maintenance, okay maybe not economical, but several studies have shown that, unless you're driving a tank, the most environmentally friendly thing you can do is try to keep driving what you have now, even like a '74 Lincoln or something.

The environmental footprint of just mining materials and building a new car (even or especially an EV) totally offsets whatever emissions the old clunker is spewing. Kinda sobering really, given how much people like getting new cars and how much economic activity revolves around new cars.

EDIT: But no, I did give up on my Delta 88 Oldsmobile in the 1990s, and I gave up on a perfectly good Corolla in the 00's. I'm not a good example (but I've had fun with newer cars, including a Mini and now an i3S, heh.)

 

I am driving tanks.

We'll talk again soon. I do want some advice for my future endeavors.

 

[already posted in the D+D, but I'm sticking it here too]

About a decade ago, Tesla rigged the dashboard readouts in its electric cars to provide “rosy” projections of how far owners can drive before needing to recharge, a source told Reuters. The automaker last year became so inundated with driving-range complaints that it created a special team to cancel owners’ service appointments.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-batteries-range/

Does anyone have experience with this?

 

From a similar CNBC story:

Inside the Nevada team’s office, some employees celebrated canceling service appointments by putting their phones on mute and striking a metal xylophone, triggering applause from coworkers who sometimes stood on desks. The team often closed hundreds of cases a week and staffers were tracked on their average number of diverted appointments per day.

Managers told the employees that they were saving Tesla about $1,000 for every canceled appointment, the people said. Another goal was to ease the pressure on service centers, some of which had long waits for appointments.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/27/tes...ss-thousands-of-driving-range-complaints.html

 

Not a good look for the competition. Whoever plans to compete will need to figure out how to cut out as much overhead as possible. Dealerships, labor and unions all need to go and full automation will replace it. The average person can't afford 50k vehicles. Additionally, the average American will need to lower their standard on what they expect out of a vehicle.

 

Who knows, but I read that article earlier this morning and it's definitely worth a read. What @rimrocker posted is in there, too. This is one reason I keep saying let others test these things out - I'd rather have real-world long-term opinions/data from real customers before I jump onboard.

More from the article :

Ponsin contacted Tesla and booked a service appointment in California. He later received two text messages, telling him that “remote diagnostics” had determined his battery was fine, and then: “We would like to cancel your visit.”

What Ponsin didn’t know was that Tesla employees had been instructed to thwart any customers complaining about poor driving range from bringing their vehicles in for service. Last summer, the company quietly created a “Diversion Team” in Las Vegas to cancel as many range-related appointments as possible.

The Austin, Texas-based electric carmaker deployed the team because its service centers were inundated with appointments from owners who had expected better performance based on the company’s advertised estimates and the projections displayed by the in-dash range meters of the cars themselves, according to several people familiar with the matter.

 

Seems like the battery technology/range is being oversold... being generous. I'm sure there's a law suit that will use more specific, less generous terms.

 

Tesla exaggerating features and functionality?

I am........shocked...

 

Yeah I held off getting an electric because the EPA range is fraudulently generous. A range of 320 miles could get you 260 on pure highway driving which has less regen breaking. Then if you're the type that babies your electronic toys, you don't necessarily want to top off the battery to 100 all the time, which causes overheating and battery life decay. Nor do you want to drive below 20% all the time.

It fast charges pretty quickly near empty which means more heat and even if you wanted to fill up to 100, it could take much much longer after 80% than what you anticipated to fill up every electron to its nooks and crannies.

I personally don't do much road trips but if I were to drive to Vegas, the easy math would be one full tank (260). Instead you'd probably space two resting breaks in between because again battery optimization (spare 30-40%) and long drive ****ery with EPA estimates (60-miles less at 75mph ). So 3-4 breaks round trip.

It's not backbreaking but there's more to plan for compared to a hybrid that can run at least 560 miles on one tank.