That's a great point. Both the guys Chicago got back are young and in AA. They feel much more likely to help in 2025 than 2024, at least the 1st half. It may be that Chicago is going expecting to reload in 2024 and make a run in 2025. If that's the case they may be more likely to trade Cease/Robert and almost certainly will trade Andersonn (who I would not touch) and Graveman (who would be a great pickup). But they also might want prospects to controllable MLB players which hurts the Astros chances.
I'm just glad that Giolito (and possibly Ohtani) didn't wind up with BALT, or TEX, or T.B, or TOR or any other major contending team. Looks like the CWS or saying Cease isn't available. Stroman has been HORRIBLE in 5 of his last 6 starts. Not a whole lot of TOR SP available that move the needle but some really solid middle of the rotation guys who could help a team (Lorenzen for example).
No it shows how bad the Angels and White Sox Prospects really are in those perspective Clubs. Both have very poor Minor leaguers. And the possibility of alot of over pay is crazy sauce It's also there 2nd time the pair have been traded togather in the same trade
Trading Shohei Ohtani, now, at this time, is imminently difficult. He isn't just the most valuable player in MLB - he may very well be the most valuable player in the history of baseball. So how do you even begin to assess a return value - the Angels or the team trading for him? And if you're the Angels, and you know any deal will return less value - how do you reconcile that against the viability of a playoff push that might convince him to stay? There aren't many teams that can pay Shohei what he likely wants - the Angels are one of them, and he's already picked them once. Is getting $.60 on your dollar better than a full-court press to try and retain him? I don't know any answers to these questions - which is why it's so difficult.
I highly doubt trade offers were $0.60 on the dollar (though maybe that is what the Angels perceived). I do agree that the Angels valued the possibility of re-signing Ohtani more than what they would have gotten back.
Ok. It's time to shock the world. Luis Robert, Dylan Cease, and Kendall Graveman for Drew Gilbert Spencer Arrighetti Rhett Kouba Angel Macuare Jake Meyers Pedro Leon Shay Whitcomb Kenedy Corona Blake Snell and Josh Hader for Korey Lee Jacob Melton Shawn Dubin Tyler Brown
Don't need Robert, better to save our capital. But I've been an advocate for two SPs and Cease/Snell would be a good hall. I'd also take Hader in a heartbeat and would have no problem overpaying as he's the perfect addition to our bullpen (although I feel Pressly would still be our primary closer, Hader would be the 8th inning setup man and spot close). Unfortunately, the Astros would not pay for all of these additions and may be outbid anyhow. I have a feeling we'll go cheap by adding a potential SP or bat to throw in at the bottom of our rotation and order and hope for the best.
Not even close to enough in this market. Maybe try: Robert, Graveman, and Cease for Jeremy Pena, Drew Gilbert, Jake Meyers, Spencer Arrighetti, and Jacob Melton. Snell, Hader for Yainer Diaz, Brandon Bielak, and Colton Gordon.
To me, it seems like Ohtani is a smart man. If he is looking at his situation long term, the Angels just traded away assets to bring in a couple of pitchers right now, and are likely going to be trading away more from their system to add to this year. Now sure, if they win the WS then it could very well help them bring him back. Personally I think there is less than 1% chance of them winning it all this year But anything short of that and they have less talent in the organization to sell him on I think if they would have moved him for these two months, added immense talent to the organization (in addition to keeping what they already had) it would be a lot better situation for him to look at and say maybe we can start winning here Problem with organizations like the Angels who always want to splurge on those stars, is they spend so much money on so few players, it's only gonna work if you are developing a lot of young talent to go around it. As an Astro fan, yesterdays developments make me happy. As I look to the next 5 years or so there are only two teams, Texas and Seattle, who will be able to compete with us in the division
I don't think yesterdays trade affects the next few days much at all, when it comes to cost of trades Just don't think that's how it really works. Just like when everyone was discussing our draft, those GM's aren't using mlb.com or whatever prospect site and saying "well they got a back end top 100 guy plus another organizational top 10 for two rentals, so when we talk to OTHER teams we need to get at least that" It all depends on how they value certain players, and each organization will value certain prospects very differently. I bet there are plenty of GM's who would look at Gilbert as if he is a top 50 guy, and there are others who wouldn't value him as a top 100 Same could be said for mlb guys like Meyers. He isn't someone that teams are going to be fighting against each other to acquire, but i'd bet there are GMs out there who look at him and think he could be a good fit for their team with some upside, while others would have no interest in him at all Having said all of that, the prices are going to be HIGH. Not because the Angels gave up what looks like a lot for two rentals. They are going to be high because there are so few sellers, and so many buyers. The thing about yesterday that will affect the cost of trades more than anything isn't what they gave up for those two, it's the fact that they aren't moving Ohtani. Teams now know they have no shot at him so they will be fighting harder for whatever top players are available
I bet Oakland/Vegas will develop/build a core faster than any of these other teams who's "cores" are what it is right now... minus Texas selling more prospects to go for it now or Seattle selling more prospects to boost a struggling offense with good pitching.
I would guess the odds are very low but they aren’t 0%. It’s been confirmed that Houston has at least discussed him.
I wouldn't guarantee it, but it's extremely unlikely I would say though, Pena has a better chance of being traded as opposed to his other deal. Yainer ain't be traded for two rentals. If that truly is the price for those two, I trust in Dana Brown to not meet that price Yainer needs to learn a little patience, and needs to be given full time work. But he has a chance to be special for a long time
I'm not saying it hasn't been discussed, only that the Astros will not find what they are looking for on a trade with him, will feel like they're being fleeced in a deal and can't let a WS MVP go for anything less than what they would need to get some big name talent back. He will be an Astros after the deadline and most likely for the next few years while under team control. We are looking at his low and his stock will most likely only go up. They will not sell low.
