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Rockets sign Fred VanVleet (3 years, $130M)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., Jun 30, 2023.

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Do you like the signing of Fred VanVleet?

Poll closed Oct 9, 2023.
  1. YES

    62.9%
  2. NO

    37.1%
  1. Believe It!

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    Why should he be listed above his 6'4 height?

    Did I miss something?
     
  2. daywalker02

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    I think he grew but that remains to be under scrutiny. That was even last year.



    https://rocketswire.usatoday.com/20...eight-weight-measurements-for-2022-23-roster/
     
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  3. SamFisher

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    Either a huge number of statistically improbable late growth spurts occurred leaguewide - or - the NBA stopped enforcing the "real shoeless heights" policy of a few years ago which never really had a convincing rationale for being in the first place.
     
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  4. CXbby

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    https://twitter.com/the_bball_index/status/1628545174849851392?s=46&t=dh7qlmb0wmmi2ES6yb-17A


     
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  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    OK, legit question.

    It is impossible to compare KPJ and FVV because they were in completely different situations with different teammates and coaches.

    However, for giggles, if you switched KPJ and FVV last year - whom would have had the better year at PG?

    KPJ in Toronto with Nurse and those vets, or FVV with Silas and all the developing players?

    And, where would you put their stats, - purely conjecture I know, but I contend that FVV would struggle and KPJ would be better......under those circumstances.

    DD
     
  6. peleincubus

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    Legit answer KPJ has never struggled. He’s won around 70 games the last 3 seasons!
     
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  7. DaDakota

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    So, no real answer, this is how I look at it, if they switched would Toronto be better or worse, would Houston?

    FVV might have made a couple of games difference but not much, KPJ would have been much more productive playing with better players - and also I think Toronto would have been better.

    DD
     
  8. daywalker02

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    Wrong, they won 59 games in 3 years to be exact.

    Too much fantasy about those 11 games.
     
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  9. peleincubus

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    60 wins over the next 3 years is attainable.
     
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  10. peleincubus

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    I’m gonna say you’re right. I hope that makes you happy!
     
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  11. DaDakota

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    Interesting.

    DD
     
  12. mfastx

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    I'm curious as to why you're still on this ridiculous agenda of "KPJ = FVV" despite significant statistical evidence to the contrary which already takes into account caliber of teammates. I'm guessing you're just looking at counting stats and FG% and ignoring all of the advanced metrics.

    To answer your question, if they switched places I'd think there would be about a 3-5 win difference in both teams favoring FVV. Thankfully, the Rockets thought he was a superior player and brought him in to help turn this thing around!
     
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  13. DaDakota

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    Because it isn't ridiculous, what IS ridiculous is comparing 2 players with entirely 2 different situations. Thus the - if they switched places excercise.

    I believe KPJ is just about even with FVV atm and will surpass him very soon....as FVV is not a PG either, he is a combo guard....

    DD
     
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    I don't see what the point is. All advanced stats favor FVV by a long shot. KPJ will no longer play the PG position for the Rockets, who have moved on from him at that position. It's over, KPJ will now be an off guard whether he starts or comes off the bench.

    KPJ is not close to FVV as a player, but sure he may surpass him if he gets a lot better and FVV gets a lot worse.
     
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    I dont understand this trend of pitting players on the team against each other and why it seems to always be centered around kpj.

    They are both Rockets at this point. Can they be successful together?
     
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    I see your point in this comparison, but I think the mentality and maturity of their games is a big difference between the two. Even if you put KPJ on Toronto, was he mature enough to handle that? I think he does have the BBall skills, no doubt, probably overall better than FVV skill wise (not that far apart) but I think Fred brings a maturity that will make a big difference on the court. I like KPJ better as a 6th man type guy instead of a starting PG running the team. I think we tried him there because he had the skills to do it better that anyone else on the team at that time and we were just trying to develop the young guys. It will be interesting to see how he develops under Ime. This will tell us if he has indeed matured and is ready to play a role to help us win (i'm rooting for him).
     
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  17. astrosrule

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    The rockets could sign prime chris paul and DD would say that he's only better because of circumstances
     
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  18. DaDakota

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    of course they do because FVV was in a much better situation.....that is entirely the point.

    That is a well reasoned take, - nice job.


    My crusade for KPJ is not for him as a starter, etc, it is for people to stop BLAMING him for the **** situation he and the rest of the team was in.....and hopefully they recognize that he is a high end developing talent...

    He is far and away the best handle on the team and is the only Rocket that can get anywhere he wants on the court....that is valuable.

    DD
     
  19. daywalker02

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    Never blamed him for SIlas’ incompetence and lack of accountability.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Anyone blaming him for last year's issues are doing exactly that.

    Literally Silas gave him the ball and no system....none, and held no accountability for him or others when they screwed up....it was setup to fail.

    DD
     

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