1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

2023 Trade Targets

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Joe Joe, May 8, 2023.

  1. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,527
    Likes Received:
    5,528
    Pena is quickly approaching 1000 MLB PAs. His career OPS is >.700. And he's actually been worse offensively this year than he was last year when he was fairly average.

    You're vastly overrating a hot streak. It was certainly a well-timed, fortuitous hot streak. But he's given no indication he can even remotely approach that offensive level with any consistency.
     
    Nook likes this.
  2. IBTL

    IBTL Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    15,560
    Likes Received:
    15,767
    Amen, Brother Blindhog.
     
  3. BlindHog

    BlindHog Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2021
    Messages:
    2,209
    Likes Received:
    1,747
    Why another High leverage reliever will do all we need to do for pitching.
    Starters
    #1 F Valdez*
    #2 C Javier
    #3 J Urquidy
    #4 H Brown
    #5 JP France
    #6 B Bielak
    Multi inning & middle relief
    #7 R Blanco
    #6 S Dubin
    Single Inning Relievers
    #5 Middle P Maton
    #4 High Leverage Acquisition
    #3 Set up B Abreu
    #2 Set up H Neris
    #1 Closer Presley
    Option Staneck, Montero, & Martinez and DFA any that turn down the option.
    Done.
    Nothing wrong with improving on this but this is a real one addition solution. and today we add 2 all stars to the offense. Even better.
     
    toby likes this.
  4. Hey Now!

    Hey Now! Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2000
    Messages:
    14,527
    Likes Received:
    5,528
    There's not really a role for "long relief" in the postseason - outside of extraordinary circumstances (blow out or extra innings). The goal for the postseason should be building a pen that can routinely turn games into 5-6 innings, and then having enough of a rotation to get you through those first 5-6 innings.

    Almost every other pitcher is (mostly) superfluous.
     
    Wulaw Horn likes this.
  5. SooneRockStro

    SooneRockStro Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 1999
    Messages:
    6,596
    Likes Received:
    4,157
    There is a very real chance the Rangers miss the playoffs. They are just 24-23 since June 1st. .500 ball the rest of the way lands them squarely on 89 wins, which may not be enough for a wild card.
     
  6. toby

    toby Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2002
    Messages:
    1,241
    Likes Received:
    703
    If we were reording the starting rotation going foward:
    1. Framber
    2. JP
    3. Brown
    4. Urquidi
    5/Long Relief. Javier
    5/Long Relief. Bielak

    Ideally, we can slot a stud number 2 into a six man roation next week and push someone out of the rotation for a while. JP has, in my book, saved the season this year and might be our most valuable starting pitcher. In a world of inconsistency, he provides long outings and low ERA. When his name pops up on the schedule, I'm not worried like I am with anyone else (even Framber this past month).
     
  7. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,774
    Likes Received:
    11,053
    I actually think Nolan Jones would be good.

    He plays primarily RF but can play all 4 corner positions. Hits RHP ( 122 wRC+ away from Coors) and has an absolute gun - 100th percentile 99.2 mph average per baseball savant.

    Problem is he has 5 years of control remaining so would be expensive. - maybe Meyers + 2 other top 10 prospects?
     
  8. Kemahkeith

    Kemahkeith Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2018
    Messages:
    4,200
    Likes Received:
    5,802
    All Hat...... No Cattle
     
    Joshfast likes this.
  9. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,605
    Likes Received:
    102,845
    Please make it stop soon.
     
  10. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,881
    Likes Received:
    132,774
    I would be happy with Lorenzo as an add.

    While I would love Cease or Verlander, the reality is that it is less than 50% either is dealt, and then it is no guarantee it is the Astros.

    The Astros need a reputable starter that can win more than he loses, and can save the pen some - and possibly become a reliever in the playoffs.

    At this point the Astros need to be really aggressive getting a couple capable relievers, ideally at least one that can pitch in the playoffs.
     
  11. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,881
    Likes Received:
    132,774
    You have a couple of things going on.

    First, no one knows what the actual market will be. Is San Diego bluffing? The Cubs? The Cardinals?

    The point being the pool of available players isn't really known.

    Second, Brown with the Braves was very much go big or go home - what I mean by that is he and the GM would trade really good prospects, but it had to be the right player. They did not tend to overpay for rentals. So that means he isn't going to overpay for a rental starter - that doesn't mean the Astros won't get a starter though.

    Brown is well aware that he needs at least one leverage arm and another one that is solid out of the pen.

    If you listen, over the last month, he has given direct answers about the deadline, but he now has covered just about every need .... so he isn't telegraphing anything to the rest of the league = not that it is a secret anyway.

    i expect a middling starter for the rotation to eat innings if the cost is low - a pretty good reliever, another okay reliever and possibly a bat.
     
  12. CheezeyBoy22

    CheezeyBoy22 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2005
    Messages:
    6,140
    Likes Received:
    2,522
  13. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,605
    Likes Received:
    102,845
    Lardass wearing a cup...so there's that
     
  14. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,774
    Likes Received:
    11,053
    Ok. This is officially my newest- non pitcher trade want.

    I know baseball trade values is totally whack in most circumstances, but it should be a good indicator of value between 2 very similar players.

    Jones and Meyers each are exactly the same - $13.7M trade value.

    He has 0.8 fWAR in 171 PA now and Fangraphs projects him for 2 fWAR the next 2 years leading up to his arbitration.

    Meyers has 1.5 fWAR in 258 PA now and Fangraphs projects him for 3.4 fWAR the next 2 seasons, with 2025 being his 1st arb year.

    The fact that CF is a more rare and valuable position, and Jake's better projection should offset the extra year of control.

    1 for 1 trade.

    Astros get a platoon partner for Julks in LF, a backup at 1st, RF, and 3B, and a legitimate LH bat off the bench.

    Much better and more balanced roster for the Astros.
     
  15. CinematicFusion

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2018
    Messages:
    2,907
    Likes Received:
    3,032
    He’s one of our best trade candidates.
     
  16. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,881
    Likes Received:
    132,774
    He wears a cup because it make him forget that he hasn't seen his penis since the Obama administration.

    Seriously, he has every resource in the world - lose 20-30 lbs.... and I say that as a man pushing 300 lbs - I'm not THAT fat.
     
  17. CinematicFusion

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2018
    Messages:
    2,907
    Likes Received:
    3,032
    Who do the Astros have to trade that would bring interest and we are willing to give up?
    Javier, Peña, Diaz, Chas, Julks, Dubon would be names on the major league team. Minor league talent would be…
    OF Drew Gilbert
    OF Ryan Clifford
    OF Jacob Melton
    3B Zach Dezenzo
    RHP Spencer Arrighetti
    SS Brice Matthews
     
  18. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,774
    Likes Received:
    11,053
    Can't trade Matthews. Yet.

    I am favoring MLB players over MiLB players as trade bait. Minus Chas.
     
    CinematicFusion likes this.
  19. Joe Joe

    Joe Joe Go Stros!
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 3, 1999
    Messages:
    26,378
    Likes Received:
    16,721
    Not looking at every team, it looks okay for most players.ToR starters likely get more in a trade than their estimated value. The guys that I'd say it has the most problems with are the ones in which future performance is a guess, and role/playing time may wildly vary from previous use.

    Hunter Brown prior to the season was way undervalued because projections were splitting his time between reliever and starter. I'd say Diaz, Chas, and Meyers may be undervalued similarly depending on whether they are viewed as a starting catcher/starting CF or will be used like they have been used..
     
  20. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2010
    Messages:
    11,745
    Likes Received:
    15,338
    Long reliever in playoffs is your 5th starter. And... weird things happen in the postseason... we don't bulldoze through the postseason without Garcia or Urquidy being the bail outs for Verlander and LMJ.
     
    rockbox, KelvinCato13 and mikol13 like this.

Share This Page