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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. astros123

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    With all due respect maybe you're forgetting the timeline. Biden warned zelensky about a Russian invasion in the winter and zelensky called biden a war monger. Biden begged zelensky to issue a general mobilization and to mine the defensive and zelensky refused. After what happened with trump and zelensky he had no faith in American democracy and its not on biden.

    Biden has done everything he possibly could've done to help ukraine. Among who blames Biden is utterly deranged.

    Until this war is over gas prices won't return to normal because we have major global refining issues. Biden knows this and he's aiming to end the war this year which is why he's not giving them long range missles.

    I feel bad for the ukrianians as well but at some point they have to share some blame at their inept leadership.
     
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  2. astros123

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    Life Isn't so black and white. Yes putin should face consequences but guess what? He has nucs and he's crazy. Life isn't fair.

    We should continue our sanctions and export control so Russia never has a real army again but zelensky and UKR need to come to terms with peace sooner than later.
     
  3. basso

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    would hit
     
  5. El_Conquistador

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    Ukraine is losing the war. And we have wasted over $100 billion of taxpayer dollars supporting them. How many people have died because of this mistake? Every foreign policy instinct that Biden has is wrong. This is a colossal failure... and China is sitting back licking its chops before they take Taiwan. Stupid decision-making has weakened America's global standing.

     
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  6. astros123

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    You have no idea about how spending works. We have given ukraine none of our new good tech. The Bradley vehicles we gave them were from gulf War and most of the other stuff we gave them were due to be decommissioned anyways.

    We've given them close to 40-50b in aid that's outside of the old equipment we gave them. We eliminated half of the Russian fighting power for a rounding error in the budget. Trump passed a 2 trillion tax cut to the wealthy and you're talking about 40b.

    Quit talking in conspiracies. You sound ridiculous
     
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    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Who is better at investing $2 trillion? The government or individuals and corporations? Kind of obvious it's not the government. Trump's tax cut powered an economic boom that has helped us navigate through the Democrats' policy-induced COVID recession and Biden's awful economic and fiscal policies.

    Your laughable attempt to redirect the argument is obvious here... Biden got us into this stupid engagement with Russia and has wasted $100+ billion in a losing effort. Wonder how much of this money would have been spent if he weren't compromised by corruption in Ukraine... Indefensible, really.
     
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  8. astros123

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    Good God you are effin delusional man. 91% of the trump tax cuts went to the top 1%. He had tens of billions in fake tax credits for all sorts of industries that just ended up being slush funds. Trump helped create all of sorts of loopholes for wall street hedge funds. I would get into it but you're too MAGA to care about policy.

    I agree with you that this war has to end sooner than later and biden needs to have backroom peace talks. Let's not spin some bs conspiracies that this was a bad investment for America


    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/oct/09/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less

    If biden was "corrupted" he would've given them NATO membership by now or given long range missles. Biden has purposely withheld superior weapons at every turn bcz of fear of escalation. Spinning braindead low iq conspiracies has to get old at some point.
     
  9. Ubiquitin

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    What’s your suggestion for preserving Ukraine sovereignty?
     
  10. HTM

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    Is that our responsibility?
     
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    Yes per my interpretation of the Ukrainian nuclear disarmament.
     
  12. HTM

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    Is that also the official interpretation of the United States government or just your stance?
     
  13. Nook

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    It is certainly in our best interest.
     
  14. rocketsjudoka

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    I do find it interesting how some people will claim Biden is weak and making America weak while simultaneously complaining about how much money and military aid he sends to Ukraine and that he’s growing NATO.
     
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    The appropriate response to what is really a geopolitical issue.
     
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    Most of NKs people are starving but yet they can send arms and military aid to Russia.
     
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    NK people will like what Kim tells them to like.
     
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    Going to NK for help has to be embarrassing
     
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    They could have just been meeting for a GIANT HAT fashion show.
     
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