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Reverse CRT: Florida Upstages Texas In History Class Teaching About Slavery

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Jul 21, 2023.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    again, I believe the sentence in the standards ("Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit") was inartfully written.
     
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    The hateful leftists keep arguing a straw man.
     
  3. Xerobull

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    What?
     
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  4. Xerobull

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    What?
     
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    Buddy all slavery is for financial gain. The racism is just justification to not feel like a piece of **** owning another human.
     
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    They keep trying to make it seem like one sentence in a long curriculum about slaves having acquired skills somehow means that Florida educators want to say slavery was a positive thing.

    That sounds ridiculous to me.
     
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    When you got nothing… just say the ones calling me out are being meany pants.

    Calling out something does not equal hate. You come off as extremely spoiled and entitled if you have a complex where anytime anyone tells you that you are wrong and you just can’t handle it and throw a fit… claiming to be a victim.

    My 9 year old used to do this quite a bit the past few years but has started to grow out of it. I recommend you take the lead from my 9 year old and man up.
     
  8. Xerobull

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    Come on, bro. It needs to be zero tolerance, especially when teaching kids. That’s dangerous rhetoric. Anything painting slavery in a good light is bad.

    It’s like nodding at someone who is saying that concentration camps aren’t all bad because they create jobs!
     
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    But who is painting slavery in a good light? I don't see it, at all. Feels like a circular conversation. Where exactly do you see anyone painting slavery in a good light?
     
  10. VooDooPope

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    Next they'll be arguing that Rape isn't bad if it results in a pregnancy.
     
  11. Andre0087

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    They already ahead of it...

    “Rape is a difficult issue and it emotionally scars the individual, all or in part, for the rest of their life ― just as child abuse does. But if a baby is created, it is a human life and whether that mother ends that pregnancy or not the scars will not go away, period,” said Schmidt.

    “It is a shame that it happens, but there’s an opportunity for that woman – no matter how young or old she is ― to make a determination about what she’s going to do to help that life be a productive human being. … That child can grow up and be something magnificent, a wonderful family person, cure cancer, etc.,” she continued. “This is not about keeping abortion alive, this is about keeping the mother alive, and just because you have emotional scars doesn’t give you the right to take a life.”

    - Jean Schmidt, Ohio State Representative
     
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    Benchmark Clarifications:
    Clarification 1:
    Instruction includes Rape Victims, in some instances, developed parenting and social skills which could be applied for their personal benefit.
    Clarification 2: Instruction includes Sally Hemmings, who in some instances, benefitted greater than her African counterparts, traveled around the world, and lived in Southern luxury at the tender age of 14.

    It's chilling there aren't any pictures of Sally, then again, like Homer Plessy, she'd be whiter than Halle Berry.
     
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    It's okay man. You can change your tune and stop defending it. Ron just said he had no part in it so you don't gotta defend him.
     
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    Perhaps, but it isn't the only troubling item in there despite what @basso is asserting. Taken as a whole, it does appear to emphasis white culture and values for eliminating slavery over the efforts of blacks to fight for their freedom.
     
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    The bigger issue here really is that the goal when they make statements like this is to defeat the strawman they believe liberals say like "we have to blame white people today". This results in a curriculum that I bet pretty much ignores the effects of slavery after it ended in terms of the socioeconomic conditions former slaves and descendents of former slaves experienced.

    They don't want that conversation so they insert a strawman that creates victimhood and resentment for the typical conservative white American to latch on to. Why care about the effects slavery had to multiple generations of black families after it ended if we can just inform that and claim that society is out to get white people.

    At the end of the day, that is the goal of these type of whitewashed curriculums. To allow white people to have a sense of pride and victimhood.
     
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    Anthony Johnson was black slave that was captured in what is now known as Angola. He was sold into indentured servitude around 1623 in Virginia. There were no slave laws in Virginia at the time so slavery was treated inconsistently. Johnson earned his freedom and went on to own slaves himself. Anthony Johnson vs John Casor was one of the first landmark Judgements that transition Slavery to Chattel slavery.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antho...hat when Johnson,colony" because he was black.

    Virginia slave laws transition slavery to chattel slavery by dehumanizing African Americans.

    https://www.shsu.edu/~jll004/vabeac...ellion/slavelawincolonialvirginiatimeline.pdf
     
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    No joke - imagine being able to own the MEANS OF PRODUCTION and not having to pay them - but only make their they don't die - so they can keep working for you.

    Imagine the profits of Wal Mart if they only had to feed them and house them in the storage room.

    I have had people claim that no one would own slaves today ---- I point to almost every single corporation that turned to poor countries to produce their products at literally pennies on the dollar. Those corporations all knew the workers were in horrendous conditions, but it did not matter.
     
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    How 'modern-day slavery' in the Congo powers the rechargeable battery economy

     
  19. Xerobull

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    "New Florida standards teach students that some Black people benefited from slavery because it taught useful skills"
     
  20. MadMax

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    It's the whole Lost Cause mythos. It perpetuated the glorification of traitors. It softened the edges of slavery (oh, masters were really nice to their slaves! in fact so many of them loved their masters, so it's all fine, you see!). This has gone on (with varying ebbs and flows) since Reconstruction began.

    If we didn't have that historical context, maybe I'd see this differently. Maybe I could write it off as a "oh come on...it's a throwaway line..it's not that big of a deal." But the historical context suggests it's not nothing...that it's part and parcel of the same crap that's been spewed in southern states to detract from the evils of the institution that's been going on for over a century now.

    Another thought....if I'm teaching high school history and I have maybe an hour to teach on the Atlantic Slave Trade in a US History course, I'm thinking there are a lot more significant and broader points to make to help kids understand it then, "hey, some guys at the tail end of it might have picked up some carpentry skills that they could use for their own benefit." Dan Carlin did a 5.5 hour podcast on it in his Hardcore History series, and yeah, that little nugget never really came up...because it's not remotely significant to helping someone understand the importance and historical impact of the Atlantic Slave Trade. I can't imagine on focusing on this as an important part of helping the kids understand the context and impact of slavery in the US...so important that it's intentionally made part of the curriculum, and not just the random one-off comment of a teacher in the middle of the discussion.
     
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