Reverse CRT: Florida Upstages Texas In History Class Teaching About Slavery

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HKP_562_forced_labor_camp

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Have you done any research on the labor camps that were used by the Germans?

 

That's the whole point. It is offensive to talk about victims of slavery or concentrations learning skills that could have helped them. But it is offensive for any and all groups of victims not just one of the groups.

 

nothing there about how learning to make their bed was a valuable skill.

 

He's North Korean, and yes some of whom survived the camp helped establishing their own in Palestine

 

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-713245

 

It could be if they needed work afterwards and could get job in the service or hospitality industry. There have also been links to mechanical skills. I listed many potential skills not just making beds.

 

It's not a competition. I'm not saying one is worse, or the same as the other. Being made victims is horrible and trying to teach that the victims got something useful out of the conditions of their victim hood is offensive. That is true of all of the groups that were victimized.

 

It's not a competition. I'm not saying one is worse, or the same as the other. Being made victims is horrible and trying to teach that the victims got something useful out of the conditions of their victim hood is offensive.

 

and you have documented proof that making beds was, a) something that the germans taught inmates, and b) this skill was beneficial to holocaust survivors?

or, if you're afraid to criticize actual Nazis, that making beds was a) something that was taught to Japanese internees in the US during WW2, and b) this skill was beneficial to them after the war?

 

There are numerous groups who were victimized in our history. It is dishonest and offensive to suggest that any of them benefitted from their victimization. That is true of people enslaved for hundreds of years in the U. S., people of Japanese decent that were forced in internment camps during WWII, and also true of victims of the victims in concentration camps by Nazis.

I'm happy to condemn the perpetrators of all the tragedies.

Unlike you, I don't dismiss the absurdity of teaching that the victims in any of the situations benefitted from their inhumanity forced upon them.

 

Here's some extra credit. Thumbs up on rationalizing this stupid sh*t btw. You can't win the culture war unless you fight battle after battle amirte?









So many skills bro, so many!

 

horrific.

florida currículum recognizes it as such.

as should all Americans, in school or out.

 

I think there is a distinction that can be made between (a) saying slaves "benefitted from their victimization" and (b) "slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit."

To me (a) is a generalization that makes it sound like ALL slaves benefitted from slavery/victimization; whereas (b) is a limited statement about specific individuals who having learned "skills" in slavery were able to exercise personal agency in ways that created "personal benefit" for themselves.

I think examples of (b) might be slaves who purchased their own freedom.

Making this distinction in no way excuses, justifies, or in any way "defends" slavery.

It also in no way excuses, justifies, or in any way defends what ultimately is a rather inartfully and poorly-written sentence in the Florida academic standards.

 

Well my mistake if the curriculum recognizes that. My impression is they are attempting to minimize it.

 

The thing that I find bad is how the left insinuates an evil intent with this thing. Where does this come from? Do the leftists really think that Florida educators have an intent of saying "slavery wasn't that bad", because of that one sentence about slaves having acquired skills?

What if the thing just gets re-worded and says "Examples of slaves overcoming the conditions they were forced into, with or without help from former slave "owners"?" Like the story of Walter Moses Burton? Examples of how, amidst something awful and terrible, humanity prevailed? Walter Moses Burton didn't hate the family that "owned" him. It seems like he loved them. That wouldn't have been the case if they had treated him badly.

It just seems that the left INSISTS on assuming evil intent, and nothing that is said or done will convince them it's not the case. They desperately want to make it look like Florida educators actually intend to send the message that slavery wasn't a bad thing.

Do you even realize how ridiculous that allegation is?

It's all in your heads, and it says more about you than about Florida educators.

 

thanks for the measured response. my sense is Florida is attempting to teach its students about the history and evils of slavery.

the subject of this thread is a minor sidebar that opponents of the governor have seized up to damage him politically.

may or may not be a worthy goal.

...and my apologies for spelling/other mischaracterizations...I'm deep into a very nice high-altitude Malbec, and listening to Tony Bennet sing about growing pains....

 

B. Is a silly thing to make a part of any curriculum. It is possible to gain something useful from any situation. That is true of someone who breaks an arm, a cancer survivor and literally any possible situation.

It is offensive to spin that universal condition and teach it only regarding the horrendous centuries long practice of enslaving people in the United States.

There is only reason that I can see to mandate that in currículum.

 

That might be true if it was mandated in every instance where victims gained some skills. It is only mandated in this one particular instance in history. It is that fact that singles this out. It isn't the leftists.

Can you explain why the only instance this was mandated was one involving the enslavement of people from Africa?

 

What other instances do you think of?

And why do YOU think they wrote this into the curriculum? Because Florida educators are evil racists? Because they think slavery was a good thing?

What the hell are you even on about?

This is so laughable.

 

@basso brought up Japanese internment camps. Prisoners of war, concentration camps, discriminated workers on building the rail system, etc.

Only the issue of enslaving people from Africa had this mandated. My question is why?

Do you have an explanation?