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2023 Trade Targets

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Joe Joe, May 8, 2023.

  1. Snake Diggit

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    Untouchable: Altuve, Yordan

    Godfather deal: Bregman, Tucker, Framber

    Star-far-Star: Diaz, Pena, McCormick, Brown, Javier, B Abreu, France, Garcia, Pressly, Gilbert

    Significant package: Meyers, Dubon, Lee, Julks, Maton, Neris, Urquidy, Dezenzo, Loperfido, Clifford, Baez, Barber, Arrighetti, Espinosa, Melton

    Worth more to Houston: Maldonado, Salazar, J Abreu, McCullers, Stanek, S Martinez, complex league prospects, 2023 draftees

    2nd tier prospects: Kessinger, J Perez, Bielak, Blanco, Dubin, Whitley, Macuare, Kouba, Gordon, A Taylor, DeVos, Fleury, Dombroski, Knorr, Solis, Leon, Corona, Daniels, Dirden, Whitcomb, Hamilton, Melendez, Ullola, Whitaker, Santa

    Throw-ins: Bannon, Madris, Hensley, Gage, Mushinski, Paredes, all other prospects in full season ball

    Take him: Kuhnel, B Taylor, Watkins

    Albatross: Montero

    I currently expect Houston to trade 2-4 players from the “significant package” group and 2-4 players from the “2nd tier prospects” group, in order to acquire 1 multi-year high leverage RP and 1 SP capable of starting a playoff game. I think they’re gonna stand pat on offense.
     
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  2. jayfree

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    You forgot Jon Singleton ;) We may be able to get Ohtani for him
    Who wouldn't want the highest paid career minor leaguer in history?
     
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  3. Wulaw Horn

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    There can be more than one guy in each category. I have 42 guys.
     
  4. Buck Turgidson

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  5. Wulaw Horn

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    There can be more than one guy in each category. I have 42 guys.
     
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  6. IdStrosfan

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    Meyers was not even on the radar when the season started and had nit even made his MLB debut yet when Straw was traded.

    Do you know ANYTHING about recent Astros history?
     
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  7. SKYGODZ187

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    Js easy route. Brandon Drury and Lane Thomas
    This solidifys depth and Hitting.
    Won't cost alot at all.
    And would open you up for What ever Pitching you want with put Killin your farm
     
  8. SKYGODZ187

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    P.S. love making snowflakes mad.
     
  9. houstonstime

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    Good lord, fine. We traded an MLB ready, awesome player we needed for the championship run for prospects.. point made, might as well do it again with Chas then.
     
  10. raining threes

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    Not everybody keeps up with the Stros as closely as some on this board does.

    I give him a pass.
     
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  11. houstonstime

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    Jesus Christ, I was mainly trying to focus on the fact that saying “never trade an. MLB player for prospects when you’re a contender” and then ppl coming back with “what about straw for maton and Diaz”
    I was just saying straw isn’t the same as McCormick. FFS y’all love to cling to the weirdest parts about someone’s statement.. Straw was a AAAA guy on the Astros in my opinion, but whatever, y’all win, I suck and am not a true Astros fan…
     
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  12. IdStrosfan

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    So the first 2 groups could be a good part of an extension pod.

    I know it is outside of Crane's comfort zone but I am more and more convinced they need to offer 10yrs / $270M. $30M for 2 arb years then $30M per for 8 FA years to Tucker

    I know you consider 1 WAR per $10M the benchmark for whether a contract is good or bad. I prefer a lower number but it is what it is and it's just going up.


    1) The contract would run from Kyle's age 27 - age 36 seasons. Those ages shouldn't be TOO prohibitive for a corner OF.

    2) Theoretically he has not even peaked yet (widely accepted to be 27 for hitters) yet has been extremely consistent and still improving. He has never had a season of less than 4.7 WAR (2020 was 4.86 extrapolated to 162g) and is on pace for 5.1 this year. He has never had a season under 5.1 bWAR (2020 extrapolated is 5.1) but is on pace for 4.8 this year.

    3) He has never had a major injury and his game is not dependent on any single skill or fast twitch reactions that will fade with time. He is a very safe bet to age well.

    4) in 2013 A-Rod's $29M was the highest contract in MLB. In 2018 there were 4 $30M contracts. In 2023 there are 17. Within a couple of years of the contract it will not he considered large or out of the ordinary. There would certainly be no way to get a player of his value cheaper.

    He needs to get 27 WAR for this contract to be considered good.

    If he can get just 4 WAR each of his age 27-30 seasons, he will need 11 over the final 6 years, or less than 2 WAR per season. At 5 WAR per year, he could "earn" the total value early in year 6.

    This is a very safe contract even if it represents a substantial and long commitment.
     
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  13. Buck Turgidson

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    I don't even know what argument you're trying to make, I'm just righting the factual wrongs in it.
     
  14. IdStrosfan

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    Lol.

    Once again you have it completely backwards and incorrect.

    We traded a current starting, established MLB player for a current established MLB relief pitcher. Click was savvy enough get get a prospect added to the deal.

    The purpose of the deal was to bolster the bullpen at the MLB level, not get a prospect.
     
  15. raining threes

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    Tucker is probably the only guy that I would give a 10 year contract too. Maybe Alvarez, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy like Tucker has. I dont think if he gets a comparable contract he stays in Houston. I think he's pretty upset with how last years arb went down.
     
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  16. houstonstime

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    Omg I know… my argument is that straw was and is a AAAA on the astros.. basically that we weren’t trading mlb talent for prospects like someone said. I know the deal was for maton and a prospect was thrown in.
    Please, none of this is worth it, im sorry to have fallen into the nitpicking wrath of you and Buck. Im over it. I was wrong. Just carry on.
     
  17. Wulaw Horn

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    I mean- yeah. Definitely. 10/270 is the wrong number. It needs to be 10/300 I would bet to make it happen and for all the reasons you pointed out they should absolutely do it.
     
  18. IdStrosfan

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    Ok.

    I can acknowldege that I misunderstood your point and was triggered for no reason.

    I apologize for aggressive posting and intend to just move on now.
     
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  19. toby

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    Wow.
    its the most wonderful time of the year
     
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  20. houstonstime

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    Appreciate it, and a lot of your posts. I’m sure I could have worded it better.
    Back to the regularly scheduled programming of the Astros driving me crazy.
     
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