So I would do 4yrs 25m per for Bregman. I dont think I'd go higher then that. And Altuve maybe 4yr 20m per I would not go further or higher both would have on there last year team option but the 3rd would be player option. As for Tucker. 6yr 25m to 30m per year. Club options on the last 2yrs and player option on the 4th year. This buys out his 2 arb years and hopefully he signs.
This is contingent on moving Montero. We are hoping that salary caps go up alittle with the first penalty and 2nd. And some how getting another high end SP and a OF.
Also gutting the Minor league at the moment I wouldn't mind let Dana Brown do his thing. He knows what he is doing. I'm not saying burn the barn. I'm saying start it over
If the Cease ,Brown trade was made the farm wouldn't be ruined. There would still be guys like Corona, Dirden, Whitcomb, Dezenzo etc... in the high minors and the lower levels would still be loaded. Plus in theory adding Cease, Robert would let the lower level guys have time to growup.
Perfect for the people wanting Ohtani. Lorenzen pitches and has played CF. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between Showtani and Michael.
The Cease Robert trade idea is not the best way to approach this. Trading for Cease is possible and somewhat palatable. Trading for Robert is possible and somewhat less palatable. Trading for both is unlikely and difficult to swallow.
I agree, but having Roberts for two years after Tucker leaves at a 20 million per year TO is pretty good. If the package started with Luis Garcia, Meyers, Gilbert, Spencer for Luis Robert/Dylan Cease... would the White Sox take it (assuming they actually are tanking and like Garcia)? Would Crane actually do this? That's like 4 major league or almost ML ready players. Would I be upset at losing Garcia and Meyers? Not really because Meyers is just zapping PT from Chas. Garcia is out next year and the Astros are starving for elite pitching. Losing Gilbert and Spencer would hurt though because they could be decent and are controllable till like 2030. In the end, I say all of this trying to think about how Crane will maximize the next few years. I don't think this will happen but it would detonate baseball.
I seen an interesting one on Facebook! Bobby Witt Jr? For Pena, Barber, Dezenzo and Cerny That's interesting
Pena, Garcia, Gilbert minimum. He's still pre-arb lol and might be struggling but he's a star. No chance we land him but why not contemplate how many players we have to give up?
You are right that the Astros do not "NEED" Robert. But he makes this team SO MUCH better. This is a rare rare opportunity. Getting Robert would be a huge upgrade. 1) you would be replacing Meyers/Julks with him. Meyers: 86 wRC+ vs RHP / 130 wRC+ vs LHP Julks: 99 wRC+ vs RHP / 103 wRC+ vs LHP Robert: 130 wRC+ vs RHP / 190 wRC+ vs LHP 2) this OF would be the best defensively AND offensively in baseball
I think you are good on Altuve. Bregman and Tucker are leaving town. Bregman is not getting less than Kris Bryant. Pretty sure that was 7yrs $182M? No way Tucker signs for only 2 guaranteed FA years, or gives the club control of his options. That's laughably low though I wish it would work. If Tucker would sign for that he already would have. He will get a min of 8 yrs and $25M per guaranteed and even that is probably very low.
It's getting to the point where 10 years, $250 million for Tuck seems too low. Taking this type of deal screams hometown discount. He's awesome.
For some it's difficult to swallow and I get why they think this way. However if you believe like I do, you think the real talent is in the lower levels and making a trade like what's been described not only clears the way for promotions. Also there's still plenty of talent in the near term in AA. Including Gordon, Knorr etc... on the pitching side to go with France, Dubin in AAA. Plus you can add an Odorizzi type SP to backup Framber, Javier, Cease, France, LMJ next year. Then on the offensive side of things I believe that guys like Corona, Barber,Dirden, Dezenzo, Whitcomb, Wagner can provide org depth if not more, this doesn't even take into account guys like Kessinger, who I think is going to be a solid versatile infield reserve and Hensley who has potential to bounce back from a bad season. This doesn't even take into account last years guys like Melton, Clifford, Taylor, or the list of 19 and under guys in the lower levels and that's where the real talent is. I expect Baez and Gomez to be in MLB within 3 years. If people I respect are right and they're as good as advertised. You also have this years class and also next years class. So organizational depth and star level players coming from the minors shouldn't be an issue. Of course I believe Brown will be able to find guys in the draft like Strider, Harris, Riley etc... I guess you don't believe in Brown as I do. So for me there's no reason not to add Cease, Robert, in fact I don't think the White Sox will move them, but if they're willing to do the trade, Brown should be all over this. Hardly ever do you get the opportunity to add an ace and a top 25 player in one trade. All I can guess is that you don't believe Cease is an ace and Robert isn't the real deal.
For some it's difficult to swallow and I get why they think this way. However if you believe like I do, you think the real talent is in the lower levels and making a trade like what's been described not only clears the way for promotions. Also there's still plenty of talent in the near term in AA. Including Gordon, Knorr etc... on the pitching side to go with France, Dubin in AAA. Plus you can add an Odorizzi type SP to backup Framber, Javier, Cease, France, LMJ next year. Then on the offensive side of things I believe that guys like Corona, Barber,Dirden, Dezenzo, Whitcomb, Wagner can provide org depth if not more, this doesn't even take into account guys like Kessinger, who I think is going to be a solid versatile infield reserve and Hensley who has potential to bounce back from a bad season. This doesn't even take into account last years guys like Melton, Clifford, Taylor, or the list of 19 and under guys in the lower levels and that's where the real talent is. I expect Baez and Gomez to be in MLB within 3 years. If people I respect are right and they're as good as advertised. You also have this years class and also next years class. So organizational depth and star level players coming from the minors shouldn't be an issue. Of course I believe Brown will be able to find guys in the draft like Strider, Harris, Riley etc... I guess you don't believe in Brown as I do. So for me there's no reason not to add Cease, Robert, in fact I don't think the White Sox will move them, but if they're willing to do the trade, Brown should be all over this. Hardly ever do you get the opportunity to add an ace and a top 25 player in one trade. All I can guess is that you don't believe Cease is an ace and Robert isn't the real deal.
