KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Does DARKO factor in number of years played in the league?

IMO there's a massive, colossal difference between being a 23-year-old who is entering his second year in the league (i.e. Keegan Murray) and being a 23-year-old who is entering his fifth year (KPJ).

 

Massive indeed. I don't know the details, but I know the original secret sauce of DARKO that nobody else had was that it updated automatically every day. All the other ratings came out at the beginning of the year and projected a player's progress. DARKO is set up so that it updates the projection every game, changing the weights of each game the player has ever played—going back to college? I don't remember that last part. But the point is, the difference between those 23 year olds is huge, and DARKO won't pick it up immediately. However, because the most recent game is what it most heavily weighs (then the next most recent game, then the second most recent, then the next, then the next, and so on, all the way back to the first game of your rookie year) eventually it will catch up and learn the difference between the two 23 year olds.

 

Merit? The dude literally quit on the team multiple times. Jalen can't play a lick of defense but when teams game plan for the Rockets this year one of the last things they'll worry about is one Kevin Porter Jr lol.

This year we get to see who wins out on "merit". Character is usually the tie breaker in situations where talent is similar. Green is going to have to literally be a broken traffic cone on defense for KPj to win the starting spot over him.

 

Couple of things here.

1. I've heard people say that opposing teams worried more about Jalen.....but KPJ was more frequently double teamed than Jalen....so maybe that's superfan cope more so than anything else.

2. Jalen is essentially a broken traffic cone defensively. I posted it earlier, but you really can't get any worse than Jalen Green when it comes to defense.



I know that some of you guys are simply too invested in Jalen Green to admit the obvious, but literally the only thing Jalen is better than KPJ at is driving into the paint and begging to get bailed out by a whistle.

 

Sounds like Bryan should be a shoo-in for starting SG then. In Ime we trust.

 

Based on them being a 20ish win team I don't think any team feared nobody on Rockets but there were moments posted on here when the Cavs were focused on Green heavy defense scheme wise and I don't recall KPJ getting that type of attention, especially since his game is based on dribbling at the 3pt line to do his patented stepback 3 or driving into a double/triple layup attempt, are you counting that as being double teamed?

And the Team Defense was ranked 28th out of 30 teams, so they were traffic cone team overall

And I don't know when you started watching NBA but players drive to the hole all the time looking to get bailed out by the zebras

hell even Harden perfected it from 3pt line, which I Am sure you witnessed that for some yrs since you are allegedly a Rockets fan/follower

 

I'm sure you don't "recall" it, that's why no one should ever base anything on your eye test.

The numbers proved that KPJ was double teamed more frequently no matter what you think you saw.

Also, while the team defense was bad, no one on the team was anywhere near as bad as Jalen defensively. He was an anchor around the neck of the team on that end of the court.

These are just the facts.

Don't believe me about the defense? Here, I'll post the entire starting lineup







Plus let's throw in Tari just for fun




Anything stand out on defense?

 

Post some game film where KPJ was being double teamed frequent

28th ranked team defense, the eye test proved that as well, they sucked overall from both the eye test and stats

The starting backcourt and frontcourt were getting cooked on reg. basis, regardless what your eye test or alphabet gang you post

You don't like using the eye test because you probably sucked at playing the game so its easier for you to get stats to back up your non playing viewpoint, sorry kiddo, it doesn't work like that

Put the game film on and watch what happens, its why players study Game Film, not alphabet gang numbers

And of course I wouldn't remember every double team from a 82 game season, I don't have a memory like an elephant, but good enough to know that no team was game planning to double KPJ, that is usually held to the best scorer/post player on each team

 

I don’t see what the point of all of this is. The team was a dysfunctional mess led by one of the worst coaches of recent NBA history. I don’t think anyone believes the last few years is anywhere close to an accurate reflection of this team’s defensive or offensive potential. This entire roster is an example of a distressed asset because of Silas and a GM trying to set us up to fail(to strike out on Wemby)

 

They game plan for Green but KPJ is the 14th most doubled team player in the league? Stop it. Ain’t nobody game plan for Jalen Green lol. You know that ain’t true. It’s either KPJ or Sengun they game planning for

You can tell everyone from Big Tilly himself down to Udoka respect the dog in him and his undisputed commitment to this team. KPJ outburst here have been from losing and being frustrated with a team built to tank as hard as possible. Jalen looks like he couldn’t care less about winning

My problem with Jalen isn’t his talent but the kid doesn’t look like he has a ounce of dog or mamba in him. I’m very interested in watching Jalen this year. There will be no more excuses for anyone

 

They record doubles in some cockieme way. My hunch is how they record doubles when opposing teams zone d us which happens all the time due to our combo of poor shooting and spamming rim attempts from either dribble drives or post ups. The way pgs are positioned in a zone defense might count as some sort of pseudo double.

Green and Sengun were by far the most doubled from watch like 79 games.

 

I don't like relying on the eye test because there are too many people like you that don't seem to be able to understand what they are seeing either due to your lack of knowledge about the game or due to bias blinding you.

If you check your eye test against objective metrics and it agrees, your eye test might be valid, if the objective metrics disagree....then you're wrong. Simple as that.

KPJ was double teamed on 28.4% of his total possessions...more frequently than Lebron James. Unfortunately I only have the numbers for the top 20, and Jalen wasn't one of them.

 

The point is merely me pushing back on false narratives that seem to have gotten popular in certain circles.

 

LOL, the old "who are you going to trust, the people who make the stats or the most irrational Jalen Green fanboi in existence?"

Clearly it's the objective metrics that are lying and not the eye test of Jalen's boyfriends.

 

Well from watching 79 games I can see KPJ is clearly better overall player who was the 14th most doubled team player in the league

I do agree that he was probably doubled more because Jalen, Jabari, and Sengun can’t ****ing shoot

 

I don't like relying on stats(end of all be/20%) because its many of you who have never played and would use stats to cherry pick instead of watching how the game played out or have been in those type of moments, stats don't measure screens/blown coverage/player tripping over his feet etc, if they do then post me those numbers

The numbers I saw had KPJ under Bron, so now I guess the numbers are playing tricks on us, those damn metrics can't make up their mind


I don't need the metrics to match my eye test, if you shoot 1/10 for 10 straight games and I Am watching it, what would going to metrics/alphabet gang numbers tell me? I would already know your % metric would be awful

 

Shocker, you don't like relying on stats because they tell you that you don't know what you are watching.

Also, probably an issue for you is that you seem to think that 28.2% is more than 28.4%. If you struggle with basics like that then yeah, maybe stick to your "eye test" even though it seems pretty hilariously bad.

 

I said 20% is what I take, pretty sure you glossed over that because are who you are

Just like how you repeat over and over how Green is a horrible defender, which watching the games would showcase that being his biggest flaw in his two year career

Just like you claim he is a chucker, but watching the games would actually show 2-3 of those shots end up being prayers when getting the ball back with 3-5 seconds left on shot clock which is a forced shot rather make/miss

So to me taking 15 shots per game in flow of offense is not being a high volume chucker, but the metrics won't put that into it

It was the average per game where Bron was higher on list

Which once again is showcasing a 38 yr old, but a 23 yr old Bron was likely way more doubled, just like you say KPJ was better than old man Curry in catch n shoot 3pt % past season, but a younger Curry (and even older) is a way more dangerous lights out shooter, no metrics necessary, the eye test showcased that