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[2023 NFL Draft/1-2] C.J. Stroud, QB, Ohio State

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by J.R., Apr 27, 2023.

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Do you like the selection of C.J. Stroud?

Poll closed Sep 11, 2023.
  1. YES

    84.4%
  2. NO

    15.6%
  1. DonkeyMagic

    DonkeyMagic Member
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    Funny how there is no bets being mentioned on Levis…
     
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  2. cmoak1982

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    This board is going to lose their **** if Levis reaches his potential.
     
  3. Rockets34Legend

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    Madden Rating of CJ at the end....
     
  4. cmoak1982

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    73?!

    I wouldn’t even rate him that low
     
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  5. desihooper

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    Maybe that should be part of the odds on your bet! CJ (-1.5) vs Maye on their Madden Ranking before their rookie season. :D
     
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  6. cmoak1982

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    73 doesn’t seem right for the number 2 overall pick. Has to be at least a 79-81.
    Doing him dirty if it’s a 73
     
  7. Sooty

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    Based on these metrics - https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htm

    This way, they can still be compared even if one comes into the league after the other based on their career. We can send the money to Buck.


    —-


    Base
    Pro Football Hall of Fame All-Decade Selections) * 25

    Value of All-Decade Selections:

    • 1st-team Offense/Defense = 1.0
      • 1st-team Special Teams = 0.5
      • 2nd-team Offense/Defense = 0.4
      • 2nd-team Special Teams = 0.2
      • Offense/Defense without 1st/2nd team designation = 0.7
      • Special Teams without 1st/2nd team designation = 0.35


    + (Most Valuable Player + Defensive Player of the Year) * 12.5
    + (1st-team Associated Press All-Pro selections) * 2.5
    + (Championships) * 2

    Exception: Quarterbacks have championships multiplied by 2.5, but only counted if they started the Super Bowl/championship game

    + (Pro Bowls) * 1.5

    + (Weighted Approximate Value) * 0.5

    Weighted AV = 100% of the Approximate Value of his best season, 95% of the AV of his next-best season, 90% of the AV of his third-best season, and so on

    For inactive players, if a player’s 1st-team AP All-Pro selections is greater than 33% of the seasons they played in the league, add a 25-point bonus.
    If a player has not yet been inducted, add 1 point for each finalist appearance and 0.5 points for each semifinalist appearance on the Hall of Fame ballot.
    Apply a 0.75 point penalty for each year played in the AFL.

    Position-Specific Additions
    Quarterbacks
    + (Super Bowl losses) * 1.25

    If player debuted in 1980 or later:
    + (Passing yards over 40,000) * 0.00075
    + (Passing TDs over 250) * 0.0075

    If player debuted before 1980:
    + (Passing yards over 25,000) * 0.00075
    + (Passing TDs over 175) * 0.0075

    7.5 point penalty if no championships won
     
  8. Kemahkeith

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    Anyone want to bet who has better food.
    Houston or Austin?
    I kid
    I kid
     
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  9. Fulgore

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    73 is a Tebow level qb. Madden has been a joke for years now.
     
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  10. hlmbasketball

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    Madden is a GAME
     
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  11. cmoak1982

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    It is, but these guys care about their ratings.
    73 is way too low for him
     
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  12. zeeshan2

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    The replies on the tweet agree with you; madden getting crushed
     
  13. El_Conquistador

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    We need to have realistic expectations. Rookie QBs usually struggle. Ohio State QBs usually flop. If we plan to start Stroud in Week 1, we are taking a risk. I also want to see Stroud EARN the starting job, and not be handed playing time like what Silas/Stone did with Jalen Green and Jabari Smith Jr. If we don't follow the "earn it" approach, then our entire system of discipline and accountability breaks down and chaos ensues.
     
  14. Sooty

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    How’s that bet looking moak?
     
  15. cmoak1982

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    How’s them odds coming?
     
  16. Sooty

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    I’ve put together the criteria for you mate.

    Odds should be even in my eyes. One is a better prospect, one is in the NFL.

    It’s like giving Clayton Tune better odds than Drake Maye or Archie Manning as “they’re not in the NFL”, even though the latter are vastly superior and have greater upside.
     
  17. Buck Turgidson

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    Archie Manning definitely does not have more upside than Clayton Tune. He's 74 years old.
     
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  18. cmoak1982

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    No way in hell it would be even odds on any books
     
  19. Sooty

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    Haha my bad - Arch Manning.
     
  20. Sooty

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    So based on this premise.

    Clayton Tune will have better odds to succeed in the NFL than Maye, just on the premise Maye is not in the NFL.

    Or you will get better odds on Anthony Richardson having a better career than Caleb Williams as one is in the NFL and the other isn’t?

    please, please explain. And put your money where your mouth is. It sounds like you’re dragging your feet on Maye now.
     

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