1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Astros @ Angels

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Jul 14, 2023.

  1. J_Hunter_1977

    J_Hunter_1977 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,811
    Likes Received:
    4,863
    Goofy is the perfect description. Lol
     
    DreamShook likes this.
  2. roxallways

    roxallways Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2008
    Messages:
    17,960
    Likes Received:
    10,613
    The Guardians need to sell, that team is trash but they are closer to the first place Twins than the Astros are to the Rangers, lol. The comedy AL central is a joke.
     
    desihooper likes this.
  3. The Beard

    The Beard Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    11,371
    Likes Received:
    7,118
    Lol I knew you would come fight against it

    Actually, I think there is a lot of logic behind it. Pena struggles with pitches out of the zone and especially breaking stuff. Batting 2nd pitchers aren't nearly as willing to pitch him there and say if I walk him I walk him. Yes, Yordan is out...but Personally I think it's a little different batting in front of Tucker as opposed to batting in front of Maldanado/Meyers/whoever else Johnnie has behind him. Obviously you don't think Tucker provides any protection so we will have to agree to disagree on that (and everything else lol cause you argue against everything I post)

    Yes, the "career" numbers say the playoff run was an outlier, sure. BUT...he was batting in the 2 hole where he had protection, and where he has an OPS of well over .800 in over 200 at bats in the regular season. So while his 1.000 OPS in the playoffs was better, it was certainly within the range of a hot streak for a guy with an OPS of over .800

    Now PLEASE explain to me how i'm using similar logic to Dusty? I'm using actual performance numbers, you don't like them, but that's what i'm using. It's OBVIOUS that Dusty doesn't use any actual performance numbers with Maldanado, cause not only is he awful on offense the pitchers do better with Diaz. Hell is Dusty used the kind of logic i'm using Maldanado would play against LHP and Diaz against RHP, regardless of the SP for that night. Maldanado is actually usable on offense vs LHP and Diaz has struggled mightily against them, even in the minors.

    I know you only post to argue and it usually just makes me laugh, it's just who you are and that's cool. But trying to compare my logic to Dusty's is idiotic
     
  4. J_Hunter_1977

    J_Hunter_1977 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,811
    Likes Received:
    4,863
    The next six games after today we play the Rockies and A's and Rangers play Rays and Dodgers. I really hope we can make some ground there but ya know. We can't lose this game today.
     
    Wulaw Horn and DreamShook like this.
  5. desihooper

    desihooper Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2000
    Messages:
    5,743
    Likes Received:
    3,206
    Is that what McCann tried to fix? Wonder if it was injury related to the surgery he had?
     
    raining threes and Snake Diggit like this.
  6. Rvo384

    Rvo384 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2022
    Messages:
    2,944
    Likes Received:
    2,532
    Lol. The Rangers next 9 games are against real teams.
     
    DreamShook likes this.
  7. Rvo384

    Rvo384 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2022
    Messages:
    2,944
    Likes Received:
    2,532
    Keep it less than 3 back going into our series with them and we are fine
     
    The Beard likes this.
  8. mvpcrossxover

    mvpcrossxover Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2008
    Messages:
    31,786
    Likes Received:
    15,710
    This is the excuse for Maldy to be bad?

    Last year he was only bad with his bat. He was able to throw people put and catch fly ball in foul territory.


    This year, he can't do anything properly.

    We all knew his bat was going to be ass ala 2021 WS. But at least throw some people out and block some wild pitches, damn.
     
  9. The Beard

    The Beard Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    11,371
    Likes Received:
    7,118
    Wrong again Mr I'm just here to argue

    Pena's Slugging .537 in the 2 hole this year
     
  10. The Beard

    The Beard Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    11,371
    Likes Received:
    7,118
    You don't think Tucker provides any protection? Same as batting in front of Maldanado?
     
  11. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,803
    Likes Received:
    31,946
    He's down to .238 now, but even worse is that he is .159 for July. I wonder why our batting coach can't get him to fix that problem you see.
     
    raining threes likes this.
  12. DreamShook

    DreamShook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    75,263
    Likes Received:
    124,519
    Astros need to win against bad team too and that is never a guarantee.
     
    #912 DreamShook, Jul 16, 2023
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2023
  13. Houstunna

    Houstunna Mr Graphix
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2013
    Messages:
    38,447
    Likes Received:
    33,576
    Higher knob equals lower head which could explain the pop-ups. He's not getting on top of the ball.
     
    raining threes likes this.
  14. J_Hunter_1977

    J_Hunter_1977 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,811
    Likes Received:
    4,863
    If we have Yordan, Altuve, and Framber when that series starts I will agree with that statement.
     
  15. The Beard

    The Beard Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    11,371
    Likes Received:
    7,118
    And this is simply not true

    Yesterday was the first time he had batted 2nd since Yordan went out

    But earlier in the season when Yordan went out against Tampa and Philly, Pena batted 2nd with Tucker behind him

    He went 1-4 with a HR
    2-4 with a 2B
    2-4
    1-4 with a HR

    Yordan came back the last game against Philly and Pena led off, then back down the lineup

    So his sample size batting 2nd with Tucker protecting him is extremely small, but 7-22 (including 1-6 last night) with two HR is pretty freaking outstanding
     
    raining threes likes this.
  16. The Beard

    The Beard Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    11,371
    Likes Received:
    7,118
    I don't think Altuve will be back by then. Good chance Yordan will though which makes a huge difference obviously

    Who knows with Framber. The way the Astros guard injury info Framber might have a mild calf strain or he might have torn it completely off the bone
     
    J_Hunter_1977 likes this.
  17. Mr.Scarface

    Mr.Scarface Member

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    13,048
    Likes Received:
    8,352
    Yeah, punish a rookie who has 15 at bats and limited field time for a mistake. Yeah, that is the way to build confidence.......dumbass.
     
    HTown2017Champs and The Beard like this.
  18. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,803
    Likes Received:
    31,946
    My Dad, God rest his soul, would have said to Pena, "Get that bat off your shoulder."

    I can't help wondering why he hasn't been taught a better batting stance. Maybe it's as simple as that. Maybe not.
     
  19. The Beard

    The Beard Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    11,371
    Likes Received:
    7,118
    I agree with very little you say lol

    But you are 100% correct on this one. You don't bench guys for making a physical mistake, especially a guy like Kessinger who really doesn't have the talent to be playing there regularly anyway, so you are going to get those errors. We simply have no other choices right now
     
    Stephen66 likes this.
  20. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,734
    Likes Received:
    10,984
    The underlying issue is that the Astros priority is not getting Pena the best hitting stats possible.

    It's winning games.

    Despite the playoffs last year, this team is better when 5+ hitters are actually better than him.

    We are not talking about Yordan here. Pena is a defensive player who has some hitting ability.

    The team should put Altuve, Abreu, Bregman, Yordan, Tucker, and Diaz in the lineup, and then put the other 3 players wherever is left. When Julks starts include him. These players are paid to hit first and catch the ball 2nd.
     

Share This Page