Ohtani package that I think would be competitive: Yainer Diaz, Luis Garcia, Spencer Arrighetti, and Pedro Leon. I do not expect Houston to be involved in an Ohtani trade but I think that package will be close to the value that some team will end up giving up for him if he is traded. That trade would really hurt Houston next season and beyond (giving up 5 seasons of a likely top 10 catcher, their top pitching prospect, and a proven MoR SP with 3 more seasons of control), but boy would it be exciting.
I'm not disputing you, but how can this be true? Was 7 years instead of 6 years the requirement at that time? Pence played 100+ games in 2007-2010 then a full season up to being traded in 2011. So he had 4 1/2 years of service time. It looks like he was a Super 2. I was able to see stories about his 4th year of arbitration in 2013. That makes my whole post moot. I still contend Pencebisxa good comp for Verdugo but the trade value post is not valid.
I believe to get Ohtani it would be as follows. Arrighetti SP Gilbert OF Julks OF Melton OF McCormick OF And a sweetener Loperfido 1B This would gut us but not as bad as you would think. Then in turn offer him a deal to stay. 6yr deal SP LF DH So what 50m x6 with outs on the last 3yrs to be in his favor. We would have to intice him with just staying for 3yrs but not a 3yr deal. Give him outs. So saying this we then turn to another trade to move forward on Cardinals get Blanco SP Garcia SP Whitley SP Dezenzo 1B Meyers OF Clifford OF Astros get Carlson OF Montgomery SP Flaherty SP Hicks RP Astros pull this trade off they then have a roster to push us into a bunch of future season to push for a WS. This also makes it to where in the offseason we can try and move LMJ, Montero and Urquidy. This is a crazy crazy way to make trades almost gutting our Minor league system. But and I Mean but it's Dana Browns team now. Let him build this back up.
My wife use to work at Tookie's in Texas City, we hit the one in Kemah every now and then when we're down that way. I grew up eating at Picadilly's and Luby's (older parents loved to go there). It's crazy how much that area has changed. Oh, yeah JiB tacos late at night were the bomb, so much grease has kept be lubricated most of my life!
I'm not disputing you, but how can this be true? Was 7 years instead of 6 years the requirement at that time? Pence played 100+ games in 2007-2010 then a full season up to being traded in 2011. So he had 4 1/2 years of service time. It looks like he was a Super 2. I was able to see stories about his 4th year of arbitration in 2013. That makes my whole post moot. I still contend Pencebisxa good comp for Verdugo but the trade value post is not valid. I'm surprised nobody even responded. Was it that bad?
I have a hard time believing that Othani will get traded. Heard a take last year . . . you don't want to be the owner or GM that traded one of the best players of all time. This is curse worthy stuff for a franchise.
One site(is clutchpoints.com related to this site?) had Hunter Brown, Diaz, Leon, and Tamarez(is he even a legit prospect?)
I have a hard time believing that Othani will get traded. Heard a take last week. . . you don't want to be the owner or GM that traded one of the best players of all time. This is curse worthy stuff for a franchise.
Ohtani wouldn't come anywhere near the Gulf Coast let alone a place like Houston. Not because of the team, city, or its culture but more so because of their geographical location. I'm sure one of the priorities in the decision behind Ohtani signing with LA was the travel between there and home (Japan) was much more bearable, compared to a Central U.S. or Eastern Seaboard city. IF, big if, Ohtani does get traded I could only see him going to a team like NY because of what they have to offer "legacy" wise for any player. Sadly Houston doesn't have the same appeal as a team like that. Either way, I really don't see him getting traded this season either, if so it's going to have to be for a MASSIVE package in return.
I would tend to agree. All the way up to . You don't wanna be the GM to let the best player in baseball walk away for a draft pick
I went back and looked at the Machado deal to the Dodgers which is about the most recent rental of a superstar player type trade. That deal netted the Orioles something along the lines of Leon, Dubin, Palma and Dezenzo. A far cry from what the Astros had to give up to get either Randy Johnson or Carlos Beltran. The curve is headed down each year for expected return for a rental, so Machado wouldn't have even commanded that much had he came along as a rental at same age and production but in 2023. But then factor in that Ohtani is a few levels above what Machado was, though Machado was a 4 time all star at that point and likely would have had a 3rd top 5 MVP finish had he stayed in one league. Some of these proposals are giving up way too much for Ohtani.
We will just have to see how it plays out. Pretty much everything about Ohtani is unprecedented, so my belief is that there simply are no accurate comps for him and his trade value. Unequivocally, the package I put up earlier is a massive overpay for a rental, even one as good as Ohtani. So it’s not ignorance in my part, simply a reflection of my belief that if Ohtani is traded, a team is going to step forward and massively overpay, even compared to previous trades of rental stars. All it takes is one uber-competitive owner to get googoo over the idea of the greatest player who ever lived donning his team’s uniform and command his GM to acquire him or else.
Elite players / Replacements on hand now C M Maldonado / Lee, Diaz 1st J Abreu / R Clifford* 2nd J Altuve / B Mathews SS J Pena / C Jaworski 3rd A Bregman / Z Dezenzo DH Y Alvarez / L Baez LF Julks / Barber CF C McCormick / Gilbert RF K Tucker / Gomez Didn't even break a sweat.
Trading deadline sure moves slower than NFL free agency. Need someone to break the seal. Not even seeing much on mlb trade rumors dot com
NFL FA moves fast. Almost everyone of significance is off the board in just 5 days or so. Baseball is always the slowest when it comes to the market. Right now MLB Trade Rumors is just regurgitating stuff that’s already out there because it’s a slow cycle. I’d like a trade with KC centered around Barlow for Meyers. Not sure what else they’d want or if that’s enough, but I like the fit.
The Astros absolutely need some good relief pitchers who are not rentals. Barlow has another year of control so that's good. The only thing about him I don't like is the BB rate. He walks 4.4 per 9 innings. Of the 16 Astros pitchers with the most innings last year, only Stanek had that many and it got him left on the bench in the playoffs. This year also has just Stanek that high, and only he and Neris (4.1) at 4 per 9 or worse. If the Astros can stomach the walks or think they can fix that- welcome aboard.
You also don't want to be the owner/GM that let one of the best players of all time walk away for nothing. If the Angels think they can sign him long-term, they could trade him for 2 months, get a bunch of prospects, and still sign him in the offseason. It seems like that would be more appealing for Ohtani since it would make the Angels better going forward anyway. There's really no reason to keep him unless they think they can contend this year, but that probably does mean they wait a few weeks and see what happens with them, the Astros, and Rangers, before making a decision.
