KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Not true, it is based on player comps and a long history of many players improving in their 3rd-4th years over the history of the sport.

He improved (modestly) in VORP, BPM and Win Shares and WS/48. Free throw rate improved and his TO% remained flat despite higher usage. Also, all I said is let's wait and see. If you're not willing to acknowledge those basic things then there's no point in continuing this discussion.

 

Oh yeah, that too, but at least basketball-wise, Silas could have put them in a better position to succeed instead of them just doing whatever. It also falls on Stone for wanting to have Porter play out of position as a PG, which requires a very particular skillset, both talent wise and basketball sense.

 

Now just being dishonest.

Kpj had a Two year head start soaking up game knowledge and training with nba level coaches.

No rational person would compares players by their actual games played but their years in the league. Kpj has been in the league longer than Green, 2 years longer, that's a fact.

Zion only played 114 games, u don't see any idiot on here comparing the man to Smith who only played 79 games do u?

 

By giving him an extension a year sooner than they had to?

 

So you admit KPJ is better now?

 

You're talking about trends. I'm talking about reality. Players often do not follow the trend...

Jalen has defied the trend already. His efficiency got worse.

His hustle stats were flat (rebounds, steals, blocks) with virtually no change. That's in reference to the advances stats, not counting ones.

BPM and WS are nice but heavily influenced by teammates and quality of team.

Joe Ingles once looked great because the Jazz had 4 defenders on the floor with him.

Free throw rate improved? That's maybe the 15th thing I would be looking for.

I'm not saying Jalen doesn't have potential. I'm saying he needs to make dramatic improvements in defense, rebounding, and the hustle stats.

It would also help if his efficiency went up and usage down. I'm hoping better teammates and coaching address that.

There's no reason for him to take the most shots as one of the least efficient scorers on the team. I'm asking him to take 4 or 5 of his ugly attempts per game and give them to Sengun, Jabari, etc. It will help him ultimately.

 

So you want someone who scores less efficiently than Green while not self creating anywhere near the same rate in Jabari to get more shot opportunities away from Jalen?

How does that make sense?

Sengun's efficiency also is a product of extremely restricted shot selection. As in the dude has done triple pump fakes at the three point line with zero defenders in a 5 ft radius around him.

Green is one of the only one of two players(KPJ being the other) who is tasked to take these type of shots:
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He in fact is at the top of the league in shot attempts from a pass from a teammate with less than five seconds left(safety blanket attempt)

Green is tasked to be a safety blanket. When less talented players cannot get a shot up in a 24 second half court offense they throw it to Green and he has to do something.

Unlike guys like Jabari and Sengun he has the ability to create a shot from nothing from anywhere in a half court set and that naturally will lead to a player like him having more shot attempts. You can't just magically give shot attempts to players.

 

With a new offense and an actual pg, ya u can.

 

Can what?

Yes I expect Jabari to have more opportunities next season due to natural growth and development paired with a more structured system.

The claim the poster was making is Green is too inefficient to take opportunities away from Jabari. He's making a relative comparison. Jabari was less efficient than Green while taking primarily open catch and shoot threes while Green was tasked to be a bail out guy who took a lot of poor shots because of his ability to create shots from anywhere on the court when the shot clock is running out.

Ya in a more organized system Green doesn't have to bail out as much but the rhetoric I'm replying to is implying Green "took away" shots from Jabari. The reality is Green created open looks for Jabari more so than taking away shots from him.

 

They signed him days before the deadline to extend 2019 First Round Picks to a contract extension. https://theathletic.com/3701587/2022/10/17/rockets-kevin-porter-jr-contract-extension/

They structured the contract so they can dump his ass if he acts a fool AGAIN,

 

That was the dealine for extension. He was under contract for another year and could be extended later.

Why is that a big deal to you?

 

KPJ never trained with Steph and Luka as a teenager. He didnt have the same hype as Jalen. KPJ was the 27th ranked recruit nationally. Jalen was #2. Jalen played for the Ignite and KPJ for USC - who do you think had the better "trainers" there? To make up bullshit ass "reasons" as to why these 2 players should be further separated because of "trainers" and thinking that years of service trumps games played is pretty stupid even for you KPJ ragers. Common sense should tell you that Zion and Jabari are not the topic at hand, but common sense left this discussion 150 pages ago.

 

Jabari doesn't have the handle or quickness but he can easily create a shot from nothing. He just raises up and shoots and no one can block it. He doesn't even need moves. You saw this last year when he hit this two buzzer beaters. He did it again in game 1 of summer league. I can think he can get a shot off at any time.

 

Yes he does have the ability to pull up against most defenders for a shot attempt. It still would be somewhat contested. Green just has ability to create a lot of space creating clean looks more often. His shot creation quality is really high. Hopefully that follows with increased efficiency next year also.

 

He’s way off with this one.. Jabari is like KD, PG, and McGrady can just rise over the top regardless, while guys like Jalen gotta dribble and try to shake guys first. I agree with you on this! 2 seconds left in game, I’m going with Jabari easily

 

I'm not sure why any of that matters as to who is better now. Maybe in discussion for who will be better at their peak or in their prime.

I think Jalen having to compete for his minutes will help him. KPJ is just good enough he's a threat but not so good he's thinking the job is out of reach...

I don't care who it is, Ime needs to make everyone earn their minutes. There is a discipline and professionalism issue. John Wall specifically cited issues of the young guys being entitled...

 

This was the point I posed before last season; if Bari turns around, rises up, and shoots how many in the NBA can be counted on to contest that?

 

Jabari rookie year.
13 ppg 51% ts with 27% of his fgs made self created.

Jalen rookie year
17 ppg on 55% ts with 50% of his fgs made self created


Green's scored with higher output, higher efficiency and on a SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult scoring profile.

If you want to incorporate Green's sophmore season: 22 ppg 54% TS and on 60% of fgs self created.

There is no argument you can make that Jabari should be tasked to self create more. If your only argument is "but he's taller" then you have nothing. Being taller doesn't make someone automatically a better player.

 

Jabari rookie year.
13 ppg 51% ts with 27% of his fgs made self created.

Jalen rookie year
17 ppg on 55% ts with 50% of his fgs made self created


Green's scored with high output efficiency and on a SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult scoring profile.

If you want to incorporate Green's sophmore season: 22 ppg 54% TS and on 60% of fgs self created.

There is no argument you can make that Jabari should be tasked to self create more. If your only argument is "but he's taller" then you have nothing. Being taller doesn't make someone automatically a better player.

Also this is absurd. Jabari is closer to Harrison Barnes and Rwshard Lewis type talent. Mcgrady's had Green, Amen level athletic traits and creative ball handling skills. Jabari is a decent athlete but not transcendent. He has no where near the natural wiggle and fluidity of guys like Green, TMAc or Amen. His moves are a lot more robotic.

Jabari is like a hybrid of Aldridge and Harrison Barnes. Tmac isn't a good comparison for Jabari.

 

Where is Jabari?