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[2023 NBA Draft/1-20] Cam Whitmore, F, Villanova

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by J.R., Jun 22, 2023.

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Do you like the selection of Cam Whitmore?

Poll closed Jun 21, 2024.
  1. YES

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  2. NO

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  1. ApacheWarrior

    ApacheWarrior Member

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    That's what people keep telling me.

    But I told people before free agency contracts would be crazy.....
    Tons of people said the new CBA is going to deter that.

    Sure enough it seems teams have positioned themselves to rid
    themselves of these big contracts.

    So which one is it? What do other teams know that our
    Rockets don't know?
     
  2. ApacheWarrior

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    That's what people keep telling me.

    But I told people before free agency contracts would be crazy.....
    Tons of people said the new CBA is going to deter that.

    Sure enough is see teams position themselves to rid
    themselves of these big contracts.

    So which one is it? What do other teams know that our
    Rockets don't know?
     
  3. jayfree

    jayfree Member

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    So you're saying Sengun's been padding his stats?
     
  4. jayfree

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    FVV has a 15% trade kicker
     
  5. Aruba77

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    Yeah, actually his defense has been one of the real positives he’s shown so far in summer league. Obviously it’s a work in progress, but you can really see the potential there. And agreed that he doesn’t give up on plays; really like his hustle. He had a couple great close outs on Wallace that don’t show up in the box score but definitely factored into misses.
     
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  6. glimmertwins

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    The Rockets were so far under the cap that they had to sign a lot of contracts this off-season(Detroit too) because the new CBA makes them pay a league floor salary regardless of whether they actually have all those contracts on the roster.

    In other words - they had to spend money one way or the other- so you overpay because most of the roster is rookie contracts and low salary young players. The new CBA had a lot of changes both to the cap AND the floor. How that impacted you largely depended on what rules did/didn’t apply to your team.
     
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  7. saleem

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    Can his balance and finishing at the basket improve with better dribbling?
     
  8. flamingdts

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    His handles will need a bit of work, he consistently fails to protect the ball when bringing it up the court. In fact, he doesn't seem to make good decisions in transition in general, although in a half court set he seems to find ways to make good cuts (still a bit slow on the pass, but everything else is much better).

    He still reminds me a lot of Josh Christopher, but he is much bigger, with more range, but just weaker handles.
     
  9. roslolian

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    Those aren't correlated see Vezenkov.
     
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    He is a lot better than JC for one thing he has been a lot more efficient than JC in 2 SLs. The defense is also on another tier entirely.
     
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  11. ApacheWarrior

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    I understand that. But the Rockets handcuff themselves to FVv for two
    years (3rd year T.O.).....nobody can take that contract this year or next.
    Because of new CBA.

    Reducing his minutes from 36.7 last season to 30 minutes
    makes him further not worth it. Or he gets 30+ minutes and
    Amen loses out in development.

    Dillon Brooks is 4 years, c'mon man. Trading that is like trading
    that Ryan Anderson overpaid contract. It stays on the books forever.

    I would have gone one year deals on more bite size easier to consume
    contracts:
    1) Monte Morris $9.8M (expiring)
    2) Jevon Carter ($6M Bulls).....we give him $10M
    3) Cam Johnson ($25M Nets)...we give him $30M
    4) Landale $8M......instead give him $10M

    5) Jalen Green
    6) KPj
    7) Cam Whitmore
    8) Jabari
    9) Sengun
    10) Tari
    11) Jarace Walker
    12) Dereck Lively

    No need for :
    VanVleet
    Dillon Brooks
    Aaron Holiday

    Cash out equals about the same. Tate traded with the others. Easier to trade out
    the contracts I brought in than the ones we actually signed.

    I know, KPj is non guaranteed $16 to 18M.....that's the contract used
    to alleviate the strain when extending others like Green, Sengun.

    That's why I suggest KPj build up his trade value by using Ime and
    system. Then get out. He is too good for the Jordan Clarkson role.
    Will do well with a contender. Get $30M per year on next contract.

    I'm not so fond of the brick brigade. Although Bari seems to be getting out of it.
    Not so sure FVv or Dillon are capable.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/OECWQdVsn7U?feature=share4
     
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  12. OremLK

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    My hope for Cam is that he makes KPJ expendable by 2025 and can become our rookie contract sparkplug off the bench, so we can trade KPJ or let him walk to free up cap space for the upcoming Green/Sengun extensions.

    I'm not expecting much from Cam this season, now that the intentional tank is over. Maybe he gets some minutes off the bench if somebody gets hurt, otherwise I don't expect to see him much outside of garbage time. Teenage rookies usually aren't ready, and he doesn't look any different IMO.
     
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    I think everyone year contracts go up so in a couple of years fvv's contract is going to look really attractive. I can see them trading him once they feed amen is ready to take over. I think he will need atleast 2 years
    In 2 years that contract is a expiring contract so someone will be interested
     
  14. peleincubus

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    Looking at Brooks last year of his contract he will be about 10.7% of the projected salary cap and he will be 31 years old. Whereas Ryan Anderson was 18.8% of the cap his last season at the age of 30 and he was already done as a player. If he is still capable of 20-25 minutes off the bench by then 10% of the cap is reasonable i suppose right?
     
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    I’d say there’s zero chance he’s as good as Anderson the first 2 years and zero chance he’s as bad as Anderson was the last 2
     
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    here is the thing though: his role should be as a FINISHER. He shouldn’t be bringing the ball up and he shouldn’t be creating far out at the perimeter. If Rockets use him properly and he buys-in he can contribute right away. If they task him within a Silas -type "5-out" O he’ll struggle.
     
  17. NewAge

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    Yeah, also, he makes harder cuts, he cuts more like KJM than Christopher. Should be a good target for Sengun
     
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    I really dhoib
     
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    I really doubt FVV will be traded with the 15% trade kicker that is built into the contract. But the team option gives the Rockets the ability to just treat this as a two year deal if they are ready to move on.[/QUOTE]
     
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  20. ApacheWarrior

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    Umm perhaps we are a fan base accustomed to high priced players
    making $40+ million and doing nothing like John Wall, Westbrook, CP3.

    New CBA rules discourage making of superteams.....won't be easy
    to move that contract for a guy that had a PER of 9 last year and
    shot 39% from the field in Dillon. Doesn't he chuck like 7 three's a game?

    He was second team all defensive team; but he had Steven
    Adams and DPOY J Jackson jr protecting his back.
    Bane and Morant helping his front.

    Now he has Sengun protecting his back and Jalen Green and
    VanVleet, who I question, was it VanVleet on defense or his
    uber athletic teammates protecting him? We shall find out.
     
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