Bruh some those guys are super versatile, high bbiq players they can contribute to the game in different ways even when they are not shooting well. Brown can defend, Trae can playmake, Brooks can defend. Some of them are borderline geniuses. Gabe is a role player at best and if Green's ceiling is Poole we are done. My thing is what is Green gonna do when he isn't shooting well? Defend the perimeter? Playmake? Green HAS TO become an above average shooter because he looks lost out there when he's shooting well. Hope he gets stronger so that he doesn't get bullied on defense.
Why is Green's ceiling Poole? There are players here like Brown you are praising where at Green's age were literally averaging more turnovers than assists. Imagine the level of vitriol you would have for the kid if that was the case. Green in his prime will probably be a 6-7 APG guy. His special talent now is collapsing defenses by beating perimeter defenses. He actually generates a lot of open teammates with his style if play and blow by ability. Help defenders come into the paint and that leaves open teammates. Through more rep and experience hell read those open teammates more often. He's not starting from a position of someone like Jaylen Brown that had no ball skills at age 20.
Listen it seems like you are very pro Jalen you really think he can overcome his obstacles. I'm dubious about it maybe you see sth some of us don't. This is tiring i'm gonna shut up about it until the season starts but if he doesn't become more efficient than last year i think we are in trouble. This is my last JG post until november.
I mean back up your **** with actual basketball discussion on the court. Do you watch Jalen play at all? Like at all? What is he lost in I'm a half court offense? Can you elaborate?
The dude just showed he thinks you're mentioning TS% and EFG% because you have an agenda. He actually thinks you're cherry picking those two things. He legit doesn't understand stats, how is he going to have a discussion with you about them?
Ya like I was making these type of posts about ts% like 5 years ago. Must have predicted Jalen Green coming to this team to make sure that I cherry pick those stats right @invocux ? Edit: abs it's not like Green's ts% and efg% are something to be proud of. It's just shows that he isn't like Scottie Barnes or Cade Cunningham level inefficient. He's a tier above that.
54% with proper rounding rules . I know, a bit pedantic, but 53.8% to be precise. Ya not great. But for reference, rookie of the year and someone praised as one of the best scorers to come in the draft in a while had a ts% of 52.9%. Jabari is at 51.4%. And Jabari mostly scored from dishes from teammates like Jalen creating space off the dribble. The average shooting guard isn't tasked to score as much off the dribble as the center of defensive attention as much as Green especially at Green's age. Of course his current efficiency is going to cut it if it's his efficiency in his prime if he wants to be even a star let alone superstar. I understand that. But there is no reason not to doubt the change in competence of structure with a new coaching staff and competent vets and his reported work ethic off the court and just naturally growing older with completed brain development and physical development won't help in increasing his efficiency as time moves forward.
Get off his d.ck man cmon. Also massive lol at understanding stats ting as if it's rocket science. Not every fan is a stat nerd like you two. I watch a player then occasionally look at some of the stats and form an opinion about player him. I don't go down the rabbit hole just to fool myself into believing that the player i like is ackchyually better than how he looks on the court. Besides literally 95% of the NBA fans think that Jalen Green is inefficienct. You haven't read it here first.
Jalen Green is inefficent. So is the rookie of the year and he probably still will be next year. The nature of young scorers tasked to self create and be honed in by nba caliber defensees at such young ages. Green at 19-21 has already been tasked to be a "safety blanket" when the half court offense is not creating a shot. Go to 5:58. That is the type of shot Green takes often. In fact there was a post sharing a stat earlier this year that Green led the league in shot attempts from a pass attempt from a teammate with less than 5 seconds on the clock. Hence the example with the clip. How many 19-21 year olds are regularly tasked to take these type of shots?
As far as i remember correctly Jalen's ts% was around the same in his rookie year. Do you think that Jalen had a better rookie year than Banchero did?
@fchowd0311 and @invocux Idk why u guy warring about green on a Smith the franchise player thread. A sengun only fan and a green pro fan shouldnt b duking it out on a Smith fan thread about green. Smith hardly gets talked about and u guys sidetracking it with something talked about in the other 10-20 threads about green. If Smith plays like he did in the 2nd summer league, man might actually b the alpha dog on the team. More competition is always welcome.
Banchero started really well but faded down the stretch. Jabari was the other way around. I think both could be good players but neither had the type of a rookie year where you say, "that’s him". Neither did Green, nor Cade the previous year. Barnes and Mobley were a bit better but not by much. There hasn’t been the type of transcendental rookie in awhile. We gotta see with Wemby, maybe he will be that type, but I have my doubts…
I really wish I was a stats nerd, that would be awesome. Yeah, we watch the games too so you don't really see anything we don't. Everyone can tell you don't know stats at all. You definitely don't know what they mean or how to use them. Since you don't know how to put them in context, it makes sense that you don't know how they fit with watching the games. That's why you've embarrassed yourself here again by saying it's not rocket science and still calling us nerds for knowing it. I know this might make you feel bad, but the truth is you're just too young to understand these things. I'm advising a friend to not spend a lot of time embarrassing you. If you want to keep that going, feel free. You should just know everyone here can tell you're making things up because you're really young. It's extremely obvious. We can tell from the way you write, the things you're saying about stats, the type of logical errors you're making, the weak insults, your argument style, your misunderstanding of the word "literally", etc. You can just be honest and say you don't really understand the stats yet. There's nothing wrong with that.
Why do we have to complain all the time and nitpick about players we have … come on y’all !! Just sit back and enjoy . It could be so much worse
Man it's really not that deep it's just not my first language and i like to curse that's not an age thing. If my insults feel weak it's probably because atm i'm incapable of insulting to you in a better way in your own language but i'm working on that. I have a thesaurus with me. What you are doing rn is essentially trying to gather ppl around you to eliminate me. First you approached that dude it didn't really work and now you are trying to gather even more ppl to join your cause which is to atomize me (We think, we can tell, everyone...don't you agree with me guys? This guy is x,y,z). Just don't be like that. I don't know if you are better than that (maybe this is the absolute best possible version of you) but at least try to be better than that. Show me the effort. I'm only telling ppl that Jalen is inefficient. His fg%, ts% is lower than sg league average and i don't believe that progression is linear for every youngster. I'm not the most knowledgeable guy here but i'm not blind.
