That’s a bit disingenuous. Of the 6 that scored 22, he tied for most shots needed. Everyone else had more points
If you want to disprove what was stated, you need to find players who chucked 18 shots per game without scoring at least 18 points... because instead you just showed guys who scored well over 20 points... often shooting fewer than 18 shots. You do get what is being discussed, right?
Also Ray Allen once said the most underrated aspect of difficulty fans don't grasp is the difficulty of creating a clean shot attempt that isn't blocked. A lot of players shot attempts are a product of more talented players creating space and opportunities for them to have a clean shot attempt. Not everyone in the league can just magically up their shot attempts
Is there someone above Green that has less or the same experience as Green? Would it be a coincidence that every player ahead of him in terms of efficiency with the same attempts or more have more years of NBA experience?
I’m not trying to speak ill on Green at all, I’m just saying the graph is a bit disingenuous. Not equal parameters
I don't think it's disingenuous. The players ahead of Green are supposed to be ahead of him given stages of development.
What are you talking about? He did score 22, not 18. And he did it in the same number of shots are allay Thomson. Why would anyone compare him to someone who scored less than 18 on 18? If only your arrogance was matched with competence. But as another poster said earlier, unfortunately this is the common trend. Those who are most sure are also most ignorant.
Nothing disingenuous at all. I said on 25% did it on fewer shots. I'm not talking about his efficiency as I agree that he can and should be better. I was only responding to the thought that 90% of the league can average 22 pts per game on 18 sots. Fine if you add in the players that did it on 18 or less then 43%. That's still a far cry from 90%.
But far more than that had better efficiency on slightly more shots. Jalen and a couple others had 22 pts on 18 shots or 1.22 pts per shot. I believe everyone else on that list had more pts per shot, right? The original statement was 90% of the league could score 22 on 18. While I don’t agree with it because as Fchow has said, you have to be able to make difficult shots. I do think a lot of people could score that much on 22 attempts.
Context is given by the initial statement, not inferred to fit a narrative. Either way, I’m not getting dragged in to a debate over Green, I like him and think he’s talented as hell. He does need to be more efficient, as does all of our young core
Agree, it's a Jabari thread and would much rather focus on how much better he looks (and sounds) from a confidence standpoint. Hoping Coach Udoka was looking at some of those mid-post turnaround jumpers and salivating about what he could to with that consistently added to the Rockets offense.
Yeah man, Jabari looks like a switch has turned on. If his defense makes the jump his offense has seemingly done, he’s going to be a stud
Man obv my 90% was exaggeration. There are tens of absolute bums in the league who can't even get 5 minutes. Centers who can't shoot. What i'm saying is that if you are an NBA caliber player (superstar, star, role player) you are definitely skilled enough to score over others. I'm not denying that Jalen is a better player than let's say Grayson Allen (a clear role player) but i'm sure if Allen takes 18 shots a game like Jalen did he looks like a bucket too, right? His fga reg. season average is 7.5 and point average is 9.7. I'm having hard time believing that he won't average 15 ppg if he takes 18 shots a game (He's a good shooter). Besides, i said 18 you gave me a list of bunch of 22's. Also it's a bit disingenous because there are x3 18-24's and x1 18-25 and they aren't highlighted and also 19-25 and 19-26 is clearly better than 18-22 but they aren't highlighted either. I'm gonna say it again, 18-22 ISN'T IMPRESSIVE WHEN YOU FG% IS .416. It means you are taking tough shots (low bbiq)
Why do you think Allen can get up 18 shots without having a elite playmaker getting him those looks? Why are you ignoring the fact that almost every superstar scoring guard before Green had his efficiency? Ant is first two seasons had 16 attempts to average 20. For his career it's 18 attempts to average 22 and people think of him as a generational talent with a trajectory of superstardom. Booker took almost 15 shots to average 18 in his first two years. Almost if not every player on the list that is more efficient also coincidentally have more years of exp in the NBA. Why are you ignoring things like How many flukes are in the top 20?
I'd disagree with this list actually. I did this as an exercise myself the other day, though I split "offense" between playmaking and scoring. Whilst I do think that Jalen, Bari and Whitmore have a higher scoring ceiling/potential I think Sengun's playmaking still puts his offensive ceiling above Whitmores at least. I have him second highest playmaking ceiling after Amen, and fourth highest scoring ceiling after Jalen, Bari and Whitmore. I still think he's probably one of our top 3 offensive weapons potential wise (Jalen and Jabari being above him) with the assists making up the difference compared to their much higher scoring potential due to potentially becoming lights out 3 pt shooters. This is how I have our 6 youngsters ranked potential wise, I think Jalen has by far the most raw scoring potential, but Jabari has the potential to be the most impactful player overall regardless of how anybody else develops: Scoring ceiling Jalen Jabari Whitmore Sengun Amen Tari Playmaking ceiling Amen Sengun Jalen Tari Bari Whitmore Rebounding Bari Tari Sengun Amen Whitmore Jalen Defense Bari/Amen Tari Whitmore Sengun Jalen
Very fair assessment, though I would probably rank Sengun higher in Rebounding (dude was an offensive rebounding beast) and would definitely put Sengun higher than Whitmore in scoring potential. His post game is already elite and if he adds a fairly consistent mid and/or 3pt shot. Dude would be bananas offensively. That's why I'm so high on Bari. Already has nice mid-range game and if he returns to college 3pt shooting form... Rockets will have an offensive monster. We genuinely have a wealth of talent and I don't envy Coach Udoke in trying to find the space to allow this much talent to blossom.
Great list. Off hand I would consider having Amen higher on rebounding based on position played if he stayed at guard which it seems he will until perhaps late in his career.
