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Jabari Smith Jr. is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Houston77, Jul 7, 2023.

  1. zeeshan2

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  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Future is bright!
     
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    Sengun has the 2nd highest offensive ceiling behind Amen, I’ll give him that
     
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    Jabari looked really good in two games so far. He doesn't quite have that natural ball handling, high BBIQ that that would be ideal, but he showed some feel for the game at least. If he can just hit some step backs, attack closeouts, and knock down open 3's while being a valuable switch defender, that's all we can ask for at this point. A 6'10'' discount Paul George/Rashard Lewis is not unreasonable and a great rotation piece that works well with other ball dominant players.
     
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    Bari was making everything in practice but he is really smooth when he is in a rhythm. Im telling you this man is not comfortable in catch and shoot situations that's why he was so bad last year shooting wide open 3's

     
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    On the current roster, he would be like 6-7th in offensive potential....
    Jalen is clearly 1st
    Jabari 2nd
    Whitmore may be 3rd?
    Amen
    Tari
    FVV or Alpy

    That doesn't mean he is no good.
     
  7. Air Langhi

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    What has green proven to anyone he is a no.1? Sengun was more efficient and Jabari seems to look like he has improved his game a lot.
     
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    In terms offensive potential?

    I think it is quite clear that Green has the most potential of anyone on the roster.
    Do a deeper dive?
     
  9. Believe It!

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    So line up possibly?

    Hudgins
    Hinton
    Cam
    Days
    Huff

    Will be interesting to see what Cam does tonight.

    Hope Mayer gets some minutes.
     
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    No they are not
     
  11. invocux

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    3 level scorer? Good lord.
     
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    On offense potential you forgot KPJ, he may be 2nd behind Jalen
     
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    Absolutely. Especially for his age. How many better there level scorers existed at his age? Being 6th in NBA history in things like 30 pt game before turning 21 should tell you something.

    https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/who-has-the-most-games-with-30-points-before-turning-21#:~:text=LeBron James has the most,+ points, with 57 games.

    Ya and he's also very efficient in those games. 6th in league history.

    Oh you thought he's a finished product and his current overall scoring efficiency is his end state of the best he can be?

    That's your problem for not understanding progression of NBA players and understanding context of the stage of development
    How many 20 year olds are already tasked to be the safety blanket when a half court possession goes no where and a teammate in desperation needs to find a safety outlet for a bucket?

    Green led the league last year in shooting possessions where a teammate passed the ball to them with less than 5 seconds on the shot clock(the safety blanket attempt). You don't think being tasked with that type of burden at his age isn't going to effect his efficiency?
     
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    Offensive ceiling or potential, before summer league I would have rated as...

    Jalen
    Sengun
    Jabari
    KPJ

    But if Jabari is allowed to play that mid-range post-up game and has unlocked his 3pt consistency...

    Jalen
    Sengun/Jabari
    KPJ
     
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    lol
     
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    Since I'm up for a laugh, why is it you think Jalen has such a high offensive ceiling or potential?

    Is it just that he runs fast and jumps high? What does he actually do that makes you think he's got some next level potential?

    He's a poor shooter, he makes bad decisions with the ball, he can't reliably create efficient offense for himself or others....so what is it?
     
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    He takes 18 shots scores 22. I'm pretty sure 90% of the players in the league would score at least 18 points if they take 18 shots. I think Cam Thomas is a better pure scorer than Jalen is. He's more efficient and better from behind the arc. Am i supposed to believe that he can't score 22 if he takes 18 shots? The reality is that every guard is talented in this league but few of them are efficient, high volume scorers. If you are inefficient you are a bum idc about your ppg. Jalen has all the tools to become elite but will he? History is full of players who had that talent but couldn't show it on the court. I want him to become successful but if he doesn't improve next season too we should absolutely move on from him because you can't be a sg with 34% behind the 3pt line 3 years in a row and somehow get labeled a franchise cornerstone. We are winning NOTHING when our star player's fg % is 0.416.
     
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    This talking point is expressed to death but doesn't add up when you understand that Green is on all time lists for scoring under 21 and that every year high lottery talent are dumped into bad teams and given the green light. Every year this happens so if Green is nothing special then by shear probability and statistics there would be bound to be a plethora of other players ahead of him at his respective age.


    His first two scoring efficiency numbers are literally the exact same as Anthony Edwards and Anthony Edwards is seen as one of the highest valued draft picks of the past half decade.
     
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    Anthony Edwards averaged 17 shots per game to average 20 ppg in his first two years in the NBA. So what's your point? For Anthony Edwards career he averages 18 shots per game and 22 ppg literally the exact same number that you are dismissing Green with. Green in his first two years averaged 16 shots a game to average 20. Devin Booker averaged 14 shots per game and 18 ppg his first two years. Again what's your point?

    Cam Thomas did something for 3 games, not two NBA seasons. Individual players can get hot for a couple of games. Doesn't mean they make all time top 10 lists in scoring average or 30 pt games before the age of 21.
     
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    You do realize that the stats are out there right. Your wrong. Check my math here... of the players in the league who did average 22 pts or more last season only 25% did it on fewer shots. So math would suggest that if you gave the 200+ players in the league more shots, 90% wouldn't necessarily be able to average 22 pts per game.

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