I'm not even sure that's true. If you gave Sengun 18 shots a game he'd almost certainly score more than Jalen did last season despite being younger. I think a lot of people are fooled by Jalen's volume into thinking he's better than he is. Honestly he's not even a one way player at this point. There's really not much he does well.
Just so you know, look at the massive delta in Sengun's efficiency with Green on/off the floor with Sengun and look at the reverse. One player is a lot more important to the other in efficiency and it isn't what you would guess(Sengun drops 7% in scoring efficiency when Green is resting) and there is a reason for that. Also it's really hard for me to believe any one credibility in watching these games if you have some hierarchy of defensive level between Green and Sengun. No one player is significantly better at defense than the other and using DBPM or RAPTOR that values blocks and rebounds(something big men naturally will have more of) as your only go to metric to justify it is silly
I mean listen I'm not sayin Green stinks or anything. I love Green. Think he's going to be legit. But it's a statistical fact that Sengun is the more efficient player and he brings more skills to the table today than Green does. I agree Sengun is at a more high leverage position in terms of defense so that works against him, but he at least gives better effort than Green does. I don't really think that's a controversial statement. If Jalen shows any level of playmaking ability or defensive upside, then my stance may change, but we're two years into Green and he hasn't showed those abilities on any sort of consistent basis like Sengun has. And his scoring isn't efficient enough to offset that yet.
There is a lot more to in-between game that shooting touch. I'm talking about creation, hesi game, eurostep game etc.
We really going to compare scoring efficiency between a 3 level scorer and a guy who does triple pump fakes at the three point line without a defender within a 5 ft radius of him? That scoring efficiency is a product of an extremely limited scoring profile in the paint that actively harms team offensive spacing.
So, if Jalen limited his scoring profile, would that make him manage to score efficiently? If so, they need to do that immediately because being a low efficiency "3 level scorer" isn't a good thing. Also, what is Jalen actually good at that he could limit his scoring profile to in order to not suck anymore?
Good. Makes these games harder to watch I suppose but its for the best. Cam gonna be able to do whatever he wants to do now lol.
How is he "extremely limited"? He draws fouls, scores in the post, and shoots 3's. Now you're just making stuff up. And my whole point was we are ***not*** comparing scoring efficiency between the two. I'm saying Green's scoring efficiency is not good enough to make up for the fact that Sengun is better at virtually every other basketball skill besides scoring/dribbling. And again...I say this as a Green fan, but none of this is controversial.
Team scoring efficiency is all that matters to me. KJM was more valuable than Green last season, even though he is a vastly more limited player. Why? Hard cuts and finishing at the rim at 80%+. Will take this ANYTIME over Green’s virtuoso dancing and high degree of difficulty contortion only to spit out a dud. When you have a highly intelligent big man in Sengun, that’s a weapon that can be utilized by others. Cuts, open lanes. Green can be that guy in the right system. If you give him the ball with a lane, he’s a blur and will finish with ferocity. I like that Green, because it is a high percentage play and helps the team.. The shotmaking Green is OK, he’s not terrible, but is meh…
So is Martin a more important offensive player than Booker and Ant? How early this says a lot about how poor your analysis of the sport is. I mean not only are you wrong about impact: https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4796/onoff#tab-team_efficiency https://cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4865/onoff#tab-team_efficiency As Green literally is ranks in the higher percentile in on/off team scoring efficiency but it also shows how little you understand how NBA offenses work and basic probability and statistics. When a end result requires multiple probabilistic events, the overall probability is lowered. A probability of a end result occuring that has multiple events has a formula which is multiplitication of each individual event with its probability. A play that has KJ Martin having a successful scoring attempt from a cut requires multiple events to be successful for that final scoring efficiency of KJ Martin. Hypothetically we can create a example calculation for a single KJ Martin cutting scoring play. The pgs bringing the ball up (.95), Sengun fighting for position and establishing it(.80), defenses load up in the manner that allows a cutting lane(.85), KJ Martin timing the cutting to the rim (.80), KJ Martin making the attempt (.50). The final probability of that play being successful : .95 * .80 *.85 * .80 * .50 = .26 or a 26% chance of a successful KJ Martin scoring okay. It takes a lot more successful probabilistic events to get to a KJ Martin bucket. With Green there are a lot less events that need to successfully happen for Green to score. And then there is the entire concept of offensive gravity hence why Sengun's scoring efficiency plummets by 7% in efg% when Green is on the bench and not when KJ Martin is on the bench. In fact KJ Martin doesn't really help Sengun's efficiency at all.
I'm making stuff up? No dude, Sengun's scoring efficiency is a product of being extremely selective with his attempts to the point of doing literal pump fakes at the three point line without a defender in sight. You want me to pull up his 3 pt attempts per game? No, he's extremely hesitant to take any form of jump shot that isn't a 6 ft push shot from the rim and that bears out statistically and if you actually watched Rocket games this past season. Yes his extreme hesitation with shots outside the paint leads to a very packed half court offense with atrocious spacing.
Yeah, it is very rare for someone to improve dribbling in a short time. It's something you usually start practicing and become second nature at a very young age. This is especially true that he's from a basketball family. So if you don't have it at the age of 18, you probably don't have it. My theory is that his jump shot was his bread and butter and his finishing up close wasn't very good, so he didn't try to dribble a lot in college. I saw some of his high school clips, and he wasn't a particularly bad ball handler. I think early last season was just a struggle in every aspect of his game, including shooting and defense which were supposed to be his strengths.
Green was without question a better shooter than Sengun last year. Both players have their positives and negatives. No reason to make it seem like one is better across the board.
Nba.com has tracking stats for shooting. If you compare the two Green has a better percentage in everything outside of 14 feet (2 of them are close but like you said Green is taking tougher shots). Green also has better shooting numbers on open shots and a better FT%. There is no real argument for Sengun being a better shooter unless you are counting inside the paint.
Yes, agreed. That's what I've been saying from the jump. Sengun just provides more elsewhere in the skill set.
