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Alperen Sengun is the Rockets' franchise player

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 17, 2023.

  1. maj21

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    Moak, stay out of this! Lol
     
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    Puff come on man, u just win by 1 because of Cedi missed free throws.



    Denver won NBA Championship, Jokic is a lob threat? No. Just accept it. Basketball is different now.
    Yeah Euros playing the right way, and u don't need loob threats when u have guys who know basketball, and have high IQ. Doncic is selected 3 and traded, Jokic selected 2nd round, Sengun selected 16...Because u think athletics is the most important thing. Then Jokic wins MVP, Doncic runner up :)
     
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    Dude Euros make up about 13% of the NBA! You named some really awesome players no doubt but are you going to hitch your wagon to that small sample size and make definitive claims about which country plays basketball better? LOL man you guys are something else.
     
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    That guy is a moron, VC lol
     
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    Do u sure, u can understand what you read? I say u don't need lob threats today's basketball, and give samples from some European players who have 0 athletics. But u just say USA players are better than everyone in the world. This is the end of conversation for me. We can not understand each other. That is obvious.
     
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    Interesting comment from an idiot, who thinks Lob Threat Bruno is a starting 5 caliber player of Rockets. And Silas is a good coach. U are more than idiot, there is no Word to describe u. Absolutely 0 (zero) IQ
     
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    So you're saying it's not Team USA U19. What country is it then? :D
    Building a roster is part of the game, you know.
    B!tching and moaning afterwards isn't.
     
  8. maj21

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    I think that?
     
  9. Verbal Christ

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    See the beauty is American kids can pick and choose if they want to participate or prepare for college or the pros. Euro guys dont have many choices. For you all to sit here and gloat about beating a B team of American players says it all.

    2020 Gold Medal = USA
    2016 Gold Medal = USA
    2012 Gold Medal = USA
    2008 Gold Medal = USA
    2004 Gold Medal = Argentina

    Guess who will be the favorite to win the Gold Medal next year? And the next Olympics and the next and the next. You get the point yet?
     
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    NBA's top 6 players now: Jokic, Giannis, Doncic, Embiid, Curry, LeBron. (Curry and Lebron will retire soon) 4 of them is not from USA. Also teams beg to God to take 1st in Nba draft for a French guy this year. All tickets were sold to watch him in summer league, and they are waiting outside the arena for hours now. But ok. European basketball is not close to NBA now, and %13 is important number :)
     
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    USA still the best in this game. Everyone knows. We just say Europe is close now then anytime. Look superstars in NBA. Young ones are not from USA. Basketball changes.
     
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    OKAY! Now we are getting somewhere - all I refuted was your take that you spanked a U19 team as if it was the best representation of US basketball and it wasnt. You claim Americans are more infatuated with lob threats than actual skills when for the longest time Euros were known to be lazy on defense and only good shooters. See how that works? Its great for the sport in general for the entire world to embrace basketball and challenge soccer for most beloved internationally, but a level of humility should accompany the zeal for your players, countries and individual teams you root for especially when you use bravado to diminish our players.
     
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    I get the nationalism especially when you've been the underdog for a long time. Nobody takes away the fact that several of the top players in the NBA come from Europe - thats awesome! Why the need to trash our guys though? Its the same thing when discussing Sengun - they need to trash the other players on the team in order to make him stand out. Its weird.
     
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    Especially Black Americans have natural gift (athleticly) but todays basketball, i can not say athlethic is the most important thing. In my opinion, fundemental is more important. So Euros are good at offense, and at least average at defense. Please watch U19 game. I know its not your best guys, but come on. They play streetball with lack of fundemental. Maybe NBA or NCAA need more coaches or asistant coaches from Europe. Or be ready to watch European guys like Jokic, Doncic, Wenby etc. to dominate NBA in future.

    Anyway; Sengun knows offense, has high IQ, good passer etc. He is 20, and will be better in defense. He is open to learn, hard working guy. Especially this year, more defensive guys around him, and that would effect his defense better
     
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    Whoever made this graphic knows ball.

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    lol
     
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    Sorted by defensive RAPTOR

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    Sorted by defensive win shares.

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    You are really bad at applying context to data. You seem to also have zero intellectual curiosity in understanding these numbers and only base your perceived usefulness of piece of data based on whether it makes Sengun look good.

    DWS, DBPM etc will always benefit big men. Those stats use box score numbers like rebounds and blocks, two things that disproportionately elevate bigs as bigs usually get defensive rebounds and blocks relative to guards.
     
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