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2023 Rockets: The Stormtroopers

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by justtxyank, Jul 2, 2023.

  1. BasketballMind

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    Ok class tanking means they had to miss shots so they could lose games. The stats don't carry much weight. Also the Rockets are better defensively currently constructed. Good defense creates easier scoring opportunities. There's a pop quiz coming up so I'm going to need y'all to get this through your heads. Shot percentages will get better by default now that they're no longer tanking. They will be better coached, take better shots, have better structure, better chemistry and will be held accountable for their mistakes.
     
  2. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Season opener:

     
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    But hey, VanVleet and Jeff Green came off the bench on championship teams. That's all that matters.
     
  4. harold bingo

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    You think players on tanking teams miss shots on purpose? I didn’t know anyone thought that.
     
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    Shooting is overrated - we will win a bunch of 100-99 games!
     
  6. BasketballMind

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    If you have the lead or close to it and you're told to lose there will be poor shot selections and/or turnovers. You don't think players on tanking teams purposely turn the ball over or miss shots? I didn't think it was possible that no one would think that until I saw so many idiotic fans complaining about everything knowing the Rockets were tanking. You have the owner publicly asking for prayers to draft Wemby and you think he wouldn't ask his players he's paying millions of dollars to miss a few shots? lol. Ok genius.
     
  7. Aruba77

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    This roster is not competitive.
     
  8. harold bingo

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    No, I do not think this happens.
     
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    OK, as a data analyst, who the heck scales data like this? Scale it from 0-to-1 n00bs. Maybe I will when I get a free 10 minutes.

    Love the stormtroopers joke. Perfect description of this team of chuckers. Udoka has his work cut out!

    And we aren't even talking about Amen.
     
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    Absent a huge leap forward from Green, Jabari and at least one rookie big surprise, I agree with you.
    Maybe nibbling at play in if the coaching staff can create great defensive buy-in.
     
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    Ok cool so you know the Rockets purposely lost games but don't think they ever purposely missed shots? Well at least I know there's no need to waste anymore time replying to you.
     
  12. OremLK

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    Pretty funny post, although I do fully expect Jalen & Jabari to improve. Wouldn't be surprised to see Jabari in particular make a massive leap. He's never been a bad shooter in his life, I think he just struggled with the adjustment to the speed and physicality of the NBA, but was already figuring it out by the end of the season.
     
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    Yeah I agree, if you want to frame it this way I think rTS (or I guess r-eFG) would be the best way. Relative to league average, so 3% above average is +3%, 5% below is -5%, etc, rather than 103% or 95%. Super weird.
     
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    No, I don't think the players purposely lost games.
     
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    Yeah these players on tanking teams aren’t hurting their future earning potential on purpose to help their current teams lose games.
     
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    What happens if our defense goes from worst in the league to top 15? Let’s say the offense is only marginally better. How many wins does that buy you? Defense goes from 118 to 114 per game in this scenario. Offense was 110 pts a game. So we will need to add 5 pts a game to have a positive differential.
    Elimination of KPJ turnovers alone should get you close.
     
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    It’s weird when I have more faith in the bigs shooting (Landale, Sengun, Green, Smith, Eason) than the wings (namely Brooks, Tate, Amen).

    If we don’t have another move, the Patty Mills thing will just confuse me more — adding another solid veteran, plus plus shooter, on an expiring deal that we would’ve been paid to take on made a lot of sense.
     
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    The level of improvement you are describing is large. Especially when we didn’t add a high end difference maker and our team/rotation still projects to be extremely young.

    We will be better, I just don’t think that the improvement you described is in the cards after this off-season.
     
  19. harold bingo

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    According to the math...

    Last year our team was 27th out of 30 on offense with an ortg of 110.5, and 29th on defense with a drtg of 118.6. That's a net rating of -8.1, which gives us an estimated expected win total of 22.14 wins. The rockets won 22 games, so that formula gave us a pretty good estimate.

    If our offense gets a bit better, say 113 ortg (which would be 24th best), and then our defense improves to 15th best (113.5 drtg), that's a net rating of -0.5, which gives an estimated expected win total of 39.36. That's a really big improvement that I don't think is all that realistic, though.

    To throw out another scenario, if we had a 112.5 ortg (25th) and 115 drtg(22nd) that would put us at 34.44 wins.
     
  20. Mathloom

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    Preach!

    It's not a coincidence that practically the ENTIRE ROSTER shot below expectations. That does not happen as a pattern with that level of consistency unless it was the function of a system that applied to all of them. Typically some players will shoot below expectations, some average, some above expectations.

    I also find it absurd to think that the organization and HC not caring about winning will have 0 effect on the court. What the hell do we have coaches for then? lol
     

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